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+ Tonight, The Deep Dive.
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+ One company's secret weapon for innovation
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+ We went to IDEO, the product design folk
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+ and said take something old and familiar like, say, the shopping cart
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+ and completely redesign it for us in just 5 days
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+ ABC News correspondent Jack Smith tells us what happened next
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+ 9 in the morning, day one and these people have a deadline to meet
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+ So welcome to the kickoff of the shopping cart project
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+ This is Palo Alto, California, in the heart of Silicon Valley
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+ and these are designers at IDEO
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+ probably the most influential product development firm in the world
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+ IDEO has designed everything from high tech medical equipment
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+ to the 25-foot mechanical whale in the movie, free Willy
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+ and the first computer mouse for Apple, Smith ski goggles,
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+ Nike sunglasses, NEC computer screens, hundreds of products we take for granted
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+ The point is that we are not actually experts at any given area
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+ We are kind of experts on the process of how you design stuff
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+ It's all the same to us
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+ We like want to figure out how to innovate and by using our process applying it
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+ Project leader is Peter Skillman, a 35 year old Stanford engineer
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+ He's only been at IDEO for 6 years.
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+ The rest of the team is electric, but that's typical here
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+ Tom Kelly, Dave's brother, marketing expert
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+ Jane Fulton-Suri, psychologist
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+ Alex Kazaks,26, a biology major who's turned down medical school 3 times
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+ because he's having too much fun at IDEO
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+ Safety emerges early as an important issue
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+ 22 thousand child injuries a year, which is-- so they're hospitalized injuries.
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+ I mean there are many others
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+ And theft. It turns out a lot of carts are stolen
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+ As the team works, it becomes clear there are no titles here, no permanent assignments
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+ And the other side says, give us a lot of help, be safe
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+ I'll give you a big red ball on a post
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+ and that says you're a big guy
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+ If you've got a ball you're a senior vice president
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+ you know, what do I care?
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+ Or the desk, red ball, it's all the same
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+ In a very innovative culture you can't have a kind of hierarchy of
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+ here's the boss and the next person down and the next person down
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+ and the next person down because it's impossible that
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+ the boss is the one who's had the insightful experience with shopping carts.
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+ It's just not possible
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+ The team spreads into groups to find out firsthand what the people who use
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+ make and repair shopping carts really think
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+ Ok, go
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+ The problem with plastic cart is the wind catches it and
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+ these things have been clocked at 35 across the parking lot
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+ Oh,man, that's actually a pretty good point.
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+ The trick is to find these real experts so that you can learn much more quickly than you
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+ could by just kind of doing it in the normal way
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+ and trying to learn about it yourself
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+ From everything I read these things aren't that safe either
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+ you know, so probably the seat itself is going to have to be redesigned
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+ One of the interesting things for me is looking at how people really don't like to let go of the cart
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+ except for the professional shopper
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+ whose strategy is to leave the cart at various places
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+ Three thirty in the afternoon and the group is back at IDEO
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+ There is no let up
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+ Each team is going to demonstrate and communicate and share everything that they've learned today
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+ A shopping cart has been clocked at 35 miles an hour traveling through a parking lot in the wind
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+ We were in the store, what
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+ You ought to designate some people to make damn sure that the store owner's point of view is represented
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+ After nine straight hours, the team is tired. They call it a day
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+ Is everybody cool?
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+ Well, that's great. Thanks a lot. And we had a great time today
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+ IDEO's mantra for innovation is written everywhere
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+ one conversation at a time, stay focused, encourage wild ideas
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+ defer judgement, build on the ideas of others
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+ The ideas pour out and are posted on the walls
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+ Oh, the blind, the privacy blind
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+ If it doesn't nest, we don't have a solution
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+ If anything sums up IDEO's approach, that is it
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+ Worried that the team is drifting
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+ The four mockups are ready for showing
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+ Baskets also can be, if you think you will have more volume, baskets can be put in
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+ A modular shopping cart you pile hard baskets onto
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+ That you could mount a scanner on the shopping cart so that you as the customer
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+ One that's build around child safety and another that lets shoppers talk to supermarket staff remotely
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+ Yeah, where can I find the yogurt?
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+ But the adults again decide more work needs to be done before the mockups can be combined into one last prototype
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+ But there's another motto at IDEO
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+ and some of the team will be up half the night trying to put together a design finally that does work
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+ Here it is!
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+ So we took the best elements out of each prototype
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+ The cart, which is designed to cost about the same as today's carts
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+ is different in every other way
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+ What do you think?
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+ Well, I'm very proud of the team. I think it's great
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+ This, does this work for you?
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+ It works for me great. It's also beautiful
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+ The cart's wheels turn 90 degrees so it can move sideways
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+ No more lifting up the rear in a tight spot
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+ And you shop in a totally different way
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+ The bags are hung on the hooks on the cart's frame
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+ Remember there is no basket here
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+ At first I was a little shocked
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+ but I think it's you have some fantastic ideas here
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+ It needs a little refining but I think that it's great
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+ I mean we would want them
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+ And she also gave us some really good comments about how we can make this thing better
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+ A lot of hours
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+ Also an open mind, a boss who demands fresh ideas be quirky and clash with his
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+ a belief that chaos can be constructive and teamwork
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+ a great deal of teamwork
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+ And these are the recipe for how innovation takes place
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+ This is Jack Smith for Nightline, Palo Alto, California
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+ 00:00:03:15 , 00:00:05:26 , Tonight, The Deep Dive.
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+ 00:00:05:27 , 00:00:10:01 , One company's secret weapon for innovation
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+ 00:00:22:28 , 00:00:26:12 , We went to IDEO, the product design folk
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+ 00:00:26:13 , 00:00:30:08 , and said take something old and familiar like, say, the shopping cart
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+ 00:00:30:09 , 00:00:34:10 , and completely redesign it for us in just 5 days
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+ 00:00:34:11 , 00:00:39:28 , ABC News correspondent Jack Smith tells us what happened next
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+ 00:00:41:00 , 00:00:45:03 , 9 in the morning, day one and these people have a deadline to meet
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+ 00:00:45:05 , 00:00:49:15 , So welcome to the kickoff of the shopping cart project
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+ 00:00:49:17 , 00:00:52:29 , This is Palo Alto, California, in the heart of Silicon Valley
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+ 00:00:53:00 , 00:00:55:17 , and these are designers at IDEO
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+ 00:00:55:18 , 00:00:59:12 , probably the most influential product development firm in the world
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+ 00:00:59:13 , 00:01:03:16 , IDEO has designed everything from high tech medical equipment
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+ 00:01:03:17 , 00:01:06:25 , to the 25-foot mechanical whale in the movie, free Willy
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+ 00:01:06:26 , 00:01:10:02 , and the first computer mouse for Apple, Smith ski goggles,
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+ 00:01:10:03 , 00:01:15:18 , Nike sunglasses, NEC computer screens, hundreds of products we take for granted
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+ 00:01:15:20 , 00:01:21:09 , The point is that we are not actually experts at any given area
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+ 00:01:21:10 , 00:01:24:13 , We are kind of experts on the process of how you design stuff
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+ 00:01:24:14 , 00:01:26:10 , So we don't care if you give us a toothbrush
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+ 00:01:26:11 , 00:01:27:20 , a toothpaste tube
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+ 00:01:27:21 , 00:01:29:15 , a tractor, a space shuttle
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+ 00:01:29:16 , 00:01:31:02 , you know, a chair
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+ 00:01:31:03 , 00:01:32:05 , It's all the same to us
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+ 00:01:32:06 , 00:01:37:08 , We like want to figure out how to innovate and by using our process applying it
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+ 00:01:37:09 , 00:01:41:06 , Project leader is Peter Skillman, a 35 year old Stanford engineer
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+ 00:01:41:07 , 00:01:45:11 , project leader because he's good with groups,not because of seniority
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+ 00:01:45:12 , 00:01:47:08 , He's only been at IDEO for 6 years.
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+ 00:01:47:09 , 00:01:50:25 , The rest of the team is electric, but that's typical here
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+ 00:01:50:26 , 00:01:53:01 , Whitney Mortimer, Harvard MBA
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+ 00:01:53:02 , 00:01:55:05 , Peter Coughlan, linguist
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+ 00:01:55:06 , 00:01:58:06 , Tom Kelly, Dave's brother, marketing expert
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+ 00:01:58:07 , 00:02:00:18 , Jane Fulton-Suri, psychologist
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+ 00:02:00:19 , 00:02:06:14 , Alex Kazaks,26, a biology major who's turned down medical school 3 times
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+ 00:02:06:15 , 00:02:08:25 , because he's having too much fun at IDEO
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+ 00:02:08:27 , 00:02:11:28 , Safety emerges early as an important issue
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+ 00:02:11:29 , 00:02:17:22 , 22 thousand child injuries a year, which is-- so they're hospitalized injuries.
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+ 00:02:17:23 , 00:02:19:08 , I mean there are many others
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+ 00:02:19:09 , 00:02:22:25 , And theft. It turns out a lot of carts are stolen
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+ 00:02:22:26 , 00:02:27:18 , As the team works, it becomes clear there are no titles here, no permanent assignments
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+ 00:02:27:19 , 00:02:31:13 , And the other side says, give us a lot of help, be safe
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+ 00:02:32:29 , 00:02:36:11 , I'll give you a big red ball on a post
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+ 00:02:36:12 , 00:02:37:13 , and that says you're a big guy
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+ 00:02:37:14 , 00:02:39:17 , If you've got a ball you're a senior vice president
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+ 00:02:39:18 , 00:02:40:29 , you know, what do I care?
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+ 00:02:41:00 , 00:02:42:22 , Or the desk, red ball, it's all the same
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+ 00:02:42:24 , 00:02:48:02 , In a very innovative culture you can't have a kind of hierarchy of
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+ 00:02:48:03 , 00:02:50:18 , here's the boss and the next person down and the next person down
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+ 00:02:50:19 , 00:02:53:08 , and the next person down because it's impossible that
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+ 00:02:53:09 , 00:02:57:04 , the boss is the one who's had the insightful experience with shopping carts.
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+ 00:02:57:05 , 00:02:58:00 , It's just not possible
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+ 00:02:58:01 , 00:03:02:17 , The team spreads into groups to find out firsthand what the people who use
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+ 00:03:02:18 , 00:03:04:29 , make and repair shopping carts really think
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+ 00:03:05:00 , 00:03:06:17 , Ok, go
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+ 00:03:06:18 , 00:03:08:13 , The problem with plastic cart is the wind catches it and
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+ 00:03:08:14 , 00:03:11:22 , these things have been clocked at 35 across the parking lot
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+ 00:03:11:23 , 00:03:14:25 , Oh,man, that's actually a pretty good point.
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+ 00:03:14:26 , 00:03:20:01 , The trick is to find these real experts so that you can learn much more quickly than you
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+ 00:03:20:02 , 00:03:22:12 , could by just kind of doing it in the normal way
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+ 00:03:22:13 , 00:03:24:06 , and trying to learn about it yourself
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+ 00:03:24:07 , 00:03:26:24 , From everything I read these things aren't that safe either
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+ 00:03:26:25 , 00:03:32:07 , you know, so probably the seat itself is going to have to be redesigned
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+ 00:03:32:08 , 00:03:36:16 , One of the interesting things for me is looking at how people really don't like to let go of the cart
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+ 00:03:36:17 , 00:03:38:04 , except for the professional shopper
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+ 00:03:38:05 , 00:03:41:05 , whose strategy is to leave the cart at various places
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+ 00:03:41:06 , 00:03:44:21 , Three thirty in the afternoon and the group is back at IDEO
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+ 00:03:44:22 , 00:03:46:15 , There is no let up
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+ 00:03:46:16 , 00:03:52:10 , Each team is going to demonstrate and communicate and share everything that they've learned today
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+ 00:03:52:11 , 00:03:58:07 , A shopping cart has been clocked at 35 miles an hour traveling through a parking lot in the wind
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+ 00:03:58:08 , 00:03:59:06 , We were in the store, what
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+ 00:03:59:07 , 00:04:03:17 , two hours and it was truly frightening just to see the kind of stuff going on
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+ 00:04:03:18 , 00:04:08:03 , You ought to designate some people to make damn sure that the store owner's point of view is represented
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+ 00:04:08:04 , 00:04:12:20 , After nine straight hours, the team is tired. They call it a day
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+ 00:04:12:21 , 00:04:15:00 , Is everybody cool?
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+ 00:04:15:01 , 00:04:17:11 , Well, that's great. Thanks a lot. And we had a great time today
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+ 00:04:17:13 , 00:04:24:02 , IDEO's mantra for innovation is written everywhere
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+ 00:04:24:03 , 00:04:29:08 , one conversation at a time, stay focused, encourage wild ideas
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+ 00:04:29:09 , 00:04:32:10 , defer judgement, build on the ideas of others
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+ 00:04:32:11 , 00:04:39:19 , That's hardest thing for people to do is to restrain themselves from criticizing an idea
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+ 00:04:39:20 , 00:04:42:05 , So if anybody starts to nail an idea, they get the bell
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+ 00:04:42:06 , 00:04:47:03 , The ideas pour out and are posted on the walls
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+ 00:04:47:04 , 00:04:49:09 , Oh, the blind, the privacy blind
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+ 00:04:49:10 , 00:04:52:14 , Like when you're buying 6 cases of condoms and you don't want them to see
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+ 00:04:52:15 , 00:04:55:04 , If it doesn't nest, we don't have a solution
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+ 00:04:55:05 , 00:05:00:08 , Organized chaos. It's not organized. What it is is it's focused chaos
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+ 00:05:00:09 , 00:05:05:21 , Vote with your post, it's not with an idea that's cool, but with an idea that's cool and buildable
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+ 00:05:05:22 , 00:05:11:13 , If it's too far out there and it can't be build in a day then I don't think we should vote on it
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+ 00:05:11:14 , 00:05:15:25 , Enlightened trial and error succeeds over the planning of the lone genius
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+ 00:05:15:26 , 00:05:20:02 , Enlightened trial and error succeeds over the planning of the lone genius
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+ 00:05:20:03 , 00:05:23:25 , If anything sums up IDEO's approach, that is it
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+ 00:05:23:26 , 00:05:26:14 , Worried that the team is drifting
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+ 00:05:26:15 , 00:05:32:21 , what can only be called a group of self-appointed adults under Dave Kelly holds an informal side session
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+ 00:05:32:22 , 00:05:33:21 , Four, four or five
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+ 00:05:33:22 , 00:05:38:00 , Four of five teams, and we give each team a need area
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+ 00:05:38:01 , 00:05:44:08 , It becomes very autocratic for a short period of time in defining what things people are going to work on
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+ 00:05:44:09 , 00:05:47:17 , If you don't work under time constraints you could never get anything done
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+ 00:05:47:18 , 00:05:49:23 , because it's a messy process that can go on forever
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+ 00:05:49:24 , 00:05:53:20 , Back at the shop it is 6 o'clock
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+ 00:05:53:21 , 00:05:55:24 , The four mockups are ready for showing
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+ 00:05:55:25 , 00:06:01:05 , Baskets also can be, if you think you will have more volume, baskets can be put in
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+ 00:06:01:06 , 00:06:04:17 , A modular shopping cart you pile hard baskets onto
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+ 00:06:04:18 , 00:06:08:19 , A high tech cart that gets you through the traffic jam at check out
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+ 00:06:08:20 , 00:06:13:23 , That you could mount a scanner on the shopping cart so that you as the customer
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+ 00:06:13:24 , 00:06:18:02 , as you pull it off the shelf, would scan each item
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+ 00:06:18:03 , 00:06:25:14 , One that's build around child safety and another that lets shoppers talk to supermarket staff remotely
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+ 00:06:25:15 , 00:06:27:15 , Yeah, where can I find the yogurt?
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+ 00:06:27:16 , 00:06:36:02 , But the adults again decide more work needs to be done before the mockups can be combined into one last prototype
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+ 00:06:36:03 , 00:06:38:21 , Why don't we have all the carts come up here for a second?
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+ 00:06:38:22 , 00:06:44:23 , I think you take a piece of each one of these ideas and kind of back it off a little bit and then put it in the design
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+ 00:06:44:24 , 00:06:47:02 , The design is still not there
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+ 00:06:47:03 , 00:06:48:29 , But there's another motto at IDEO
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+ 00:06:49:00 , 00:06:51:19 , fail often in order to succeed sooner
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+ 00:06:51:20 , 00:06:57:10 , and some of the team will be up half the night trying to put together a design finally that does work
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+ 00:06:57:11 , 00:06:59:01 , Here it is!
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+ 00:07:01:00 , 00:07:05:15 , So we took the best elements out of each prototype
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+ 00:07:05:16 , 00:07:09:12 , The cart, which is designed to cost about the same as today's carts
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+ 00:07:09:13 , 00:07:11:23 , is different in every other way
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+ 00:07:11:24 , 00:07:12:16 , What do you think?
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+ 00:07:12:17 , 00:07:17:12 , Well, I'm very proud of the team. I think it's great
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+ 00:07:17:13 , 00:07:18:17 , This, does this work for you?
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+ 00:07:18:18 , 00:07:20:26 , It works for me great. It's also beautiful
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+ 00:07:20:27 , 00:07:24:15 , The cart's wheels turn 90 degrees so it can move sideways
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+ 00:07:24:16 , 00:07:26:27 , No more lifting up the rear in a tight spot
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+ 00:07:26:28 , 00:07:30:00 , And you shop in a totally different way
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+ 00:07:30:01 , 00:07:33:08 , The bags are hung on the hooks on the cart's frame
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+ 00:07:33:09 , 00:07:35:15 , Remember there is no basket here
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+ 00:07:35:16 , 00:07:38:00 , At first I was a little shocked
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+ 00:07:38:01 , 00:07:41:03 , but I think it's you have some fantastic ideas here
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+ 00:07:41:04 , 00:07:44:08 , It needs a little refining but I think that it's great
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+ 00:07:44:09 , 00:07:45:22 , I mean we would want them
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+ 00:07:45:23 , 00:07:49:04 , And she also gave us some really good comments about how we can make this thing better
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+ 00:07:49:06 , 00:07:50:22 , A lot of hours
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+ 00:07:50:23 , 00:07:56:17 , Also an open mind, a boss who demands fresh ideas be quirky and clash with his
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+ 00:07:56:18 , 00:08:00:25 , a belief that chaos can be constructive and teamwork
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+ 00:08:00:26 , 00:08:02:26 , a great deal of teamwork
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+ 00:08:02:27 , 00:08:07:08 , And these are the recipe for how innovation takes place
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+ 00:08:07:09 , 00:08:11:24 , This is Jack Smith for Nightline, Palo Alto, California