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Smietana</h1></div><div class="w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_686"><div class="user_topic_sig">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_687"><div class="tabs w8" style="margin-left:-10px;"><a class="link" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Profile</a><a class="link" href="/Brandon-Smietana/about">About <span class="light normal">(</span>7<span class="light normal">)</span></a><a class="link" href="/Brandon-Smietana/questions">Questions <span class="light normal">(</span>1298<span class="light normal">)</span></a><a class="link selected" href="/Brandon-Smietana/answers">Answers <span class="light normal">(</span>513<span class="light normal">)</span></a><a class="link" href="/Brandon-Smietana/log">Edits <span class="light normal">(</span>9391<span class="light normal">)</span></a></div></div></div><div class="col w4_5 main_col"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_688"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_695"><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_711"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_d7UsRMk_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_732"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_772"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_932"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Brandon-Smietana/in-this-question-Technology-Trends-What-will-be-the-next-big-thing-after-Facebook-and-Twitter-Why-you-say-that-Natural-Language-Processing-Technologies-will-be-the-very-important-What-is-the-status-of-these-technologies-today-What-are-the-main-obstacles-problems-How-big-is-this-sector-and-will-it-be" id="__w2_gQhzXt7_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_933"></span>in this question: ... <span class="question_more">(continue)</span></a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_733"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_LMIVA8f_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_LMIVA8f_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_792"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_tHhhX1U_answer_vote_up_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_LMIVA8f_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_IFh5ZVB_link"><span class="rep" id="__w2_IFh5ZVB_sig">I do Machine Learning and Statis...</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_IFh5ZVB_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_IFh5ZVB_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_LMIVA8f_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_793"></div></div></div>NLP currently consists of a set of mathematical and algorithmic techniques that are useful in a very limited context.<br /><br />However, Natural Language Processing tasks that are currently being performed by humans, account for about 30% of United States labor costs. Labor costs are the dominate restraint on profit and consume the majority of US GDP. Over the next fifty years, many of the tasks currently performed by humans in the NLP domain, will become tasks that can be automated, as the field advances.<br /><br />This paper suggests that the value of better NLP infrastructure is 3 trillion a year.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.mkbergman.com/82/untapped-assets-the-3-trillion-value-of-us-enterprise-documents/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.mkbergman.com/<wbr />82/unta...</a><br /><br />NLP is very closely related to machine learning and in application is closely related to emerging database technologies such as "semantic web" and the usage of analytics to improve the efficiency of resource allocation in the enterprise. NLP is just one facet of a group of technologies which are likely to have a major impact on the structure of and function of corporations going into the future.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_LMIVA8f_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_794"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_X5GoON9_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_795"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Brandon-Smietana/in-this-question-Technology-Trends-What-will-be-the-next-big-thing-after-Facebook-and-Twitter-Why-you-say-that-Natural-Language-Processing-Technologies-will-be-the-very-important-What-is-the-status-of-these-technologies-today-What-are-the-main-obstacles-problems-How-big-is-this-sector-and-will-it-be/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_rr3GL4T_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_892"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_796"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_q1Huhge_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_893"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_712"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_lty3RKF_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_734"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_773"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_934"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Is-it-acceptable-to-cold-call-someone-via-private-message-on-Quora" id="__w2_MvqCY5J_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_935"></span>Is it acceptable to "cold call" someone via private message on Quora?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_735"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_RIbWIBj_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_RIbWIBj_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_797"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_FLghfjY_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_FLghfjY_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_RIbWIBj_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_VszI6d6_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_VszI6d6_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_VszI6d6_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_RIbWIBj_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_798"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">18</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_OuNhpG6_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Anthony-Foster">Anthony Foster</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ari-Shahdadi">Ari Shahdadi</a>, <a class="user" href="/Peter-Clark">Peter Clark</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_OuNhpG6_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_OuNhpG6_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Anthony-Foster">Anthony Foster</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ari-Shahdadi">Ari Shahdadi</a>, <a class="user" href="/Peter-Clark">Peter Clark</a>, <a class="user" href="/Xianhang-Zhang">Xianhang Zhang</a>, <a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a>, <a class="user" href="/Lynn-Tao">Lynn Tao</a>, <a class="user" href="/Craig-Montuori">Craig Montuori</a>, <a class="user" href="/Joshua-Kaufman">Joshua Kaufman</a>, <a class="user" href="/Charles-Krohn">Charles Krohn</a>, <a class="user" href="/Prakash-Swaminathan">Prakash Swaminathan</a>, <a class="user" href="/Philip-Mikal">Philip Mikal</a>, <a class="user" href="/Andrew-Brown-2">Andrew Brown</a>, <a class="user" href="/Brett-Bolkowy">Brett Bolkowy</a>, <a class="user" href="/Murali-Veeraiyan">Murali Veeraiyan</a>, <a class="user" href="/Aaron-Chiu">Aaron Chiu</a>, <a class="user" href="/Murtaza-Ali-Akbar">Murtaza Ali Akbar</a>, <a class="user" href="/June-Lin">June Lin</a> and <a class="user" href="/Carlos-Leiva-Burotto">Carlos Leiva Burotto</a></span></span></div></div></div>I have met a bunch of interesting people who have cold-called me because they read something I wrote.<br /><br />Many people would be upset if messaging other users was banned unless you are following each other.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_RIbWIBj_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_799"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_yBMIqGG_view_comment_link">1 Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_800"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Is-it-acceptable-to-cold-call-someone-via-private-message-on-Quora/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_w61cuus_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_894"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_801"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_sGeSQDQ_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_895"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_972"><a name="comment136630"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_TxnJR0o_comment"><p class="comment_text">Agree, Messaging should remain open. Quora provides this awesome platform to connect with brilliant folks in various fields. If needed, spam control and possibly three strikes to block a person from any future communication could be implemented.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Murali-Veeraiyan">Murali Veeraiyan</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_ff95xFN_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_713"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_gNq7ZAj_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_736"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_774"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_936"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Are-there-any-of-Chinas-50-Cent-Army-paid-propagandists-members-on-Quora" id="__w2_KKIX6PY_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_937"></span>Are there any of China's "50 Cent Army" (paid propagandists) members on Quora?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_737"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_m6TPgVy_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_m6TPgVy_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_802"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_oQ1fZuM_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_oQ1fZuM_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_m6TPgVy_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_HWIsdMq_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_HWIsdMq_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_HWIsdMq_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_m6TPgVy_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_803"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Kevin-Meyerson">Kevin Meyerson</a> and Anon User</span></div></div></div>Yes.<br /><br />Quora is a very useful source of competitive intelligence on people and companies.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_m6TPgVy_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_804"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_ttnPOAy_view_comment_link">14 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_805"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Are-there-any-of-Chinas-50-Cent-Army-paid-propagandists-members-on-Quora/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_ssETGXm_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_896"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_806"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_gKC3Wtq_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_897"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_973"><a name="comment134956"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_tXXQg6l_comment"><p class="comment_text">Who?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_HXc7NXj_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_974"><a name="comment134963"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_zEJg5uJ_comment"><p class="comment_text">Are you one of them?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Yishan-Wong">Yishan Wong</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_UCCbKqo_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_975"><a name="comment134965"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_IKMD7DC_comment"><p class="comment_text">Are you asking me or Brandon?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_VitHd1n_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_976"><div class="comment comment_dotdotdot p0_5"><a class="supp" href="#" onclick="$('.hidden_comments_171496').toggleClass('hidden');
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I am wondering if Brandon can in turn back up his allegations.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Yishan-Wong">Yishan Wong</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_uIlHTdp_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1014"><a name="comment134969"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_xzB9bcX_comment"><p class="comment_text">I think Brandon has momentarily lost his sense of objectivity. He typically has rather intelligent replies, and I doubt he wants to portray himself as a biased hack to the Silicon Valley community.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_Qto4HTZ_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1015"><a name="comment134975"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_NJQiKqH_comment"><p class="comment_text">My interview handler at the 50 Cent Army told me that my application was rejected because a CIA agent spotted my low-level heckling on Quora. I'm trying to find more documentation on Wikileaky</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Lynn-Tao">Lynn Tao</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_xaeZz1v_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1016"><a name="comment135009"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_dUPdJni_comment"><p class="comment_text">I doubt Brandon's going to back up his position, and it's a bit unfair for him on this topic at the very least. It's pure hearsay, and IMO mostly misguided for the most part. I, for one, am rather intrigued at Brandon's overall position on the topics at hand, however. From what I've seen (albeit there isn't a whole lot), it goes against his public persona of intellectual honesty among other things. I'd certainly be interested in hearing his position(s) in the future.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_oRjU4k2_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1017"><a name="comment135065"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_uPbNc2z_comment"><p class="comment_text">>I am wondering if Brandon can in turn back up his allegations.<br /><br />I cannot vouch for Zhang. However, I know the answer is yes to this question; because I saw one.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_kyklNV0_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1018"><a name="comment135076"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_I9zWVBd_comment"><p class="comment_text">"He typically has rather intelligent replies, and I doubt he wants to portray himself as a biased hack to the Silicon Valley community." I honestly think there are 50 cent members on Quora. China's international activities are rather broad.<br /><br />I saw some suspicious voting patterns on one question. Bayes' theorem say that it is more likely than not, than not.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_tGwgBeS_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1019"><a name="comment135080"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_ukV37V8_comment"><p class="comment_text">To be honest, I'm not inclined to doubt you. Which question?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_YDkAAVg_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1020"><a name="comment135086"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_hVuuJ5s_comment"><p class="comment_text">Guess you don't really know what 50c does. They are to influence people's opinion, not collect intelligence</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Richard-Liu-1">Richard Liu</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_lc4yhGA_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1021"><a name="comment135095"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_xHi02Xy_comment"><p class="comment_text">50 Cent Party influences opinions and collects information.<br /><br />Here is a good video overview by Far East Economic Review:<br /><b><i>David Bandursky interview </i></b><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpomfqb3QVY" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.youtube.com/wa<wbr />tch?v=Z...</a></p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Kevin-Meyerson">Kevin Meyerson</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_QNze2xY_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_977"><a name="comment135098"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_QmqyZmc_comment"><p class="comment_text">Well, Brandon has a point to a degree, but I sense fear when there's no reason for it. Isn't that the entire point of the Internet? It's a 2-way street. Anyone can access any one else's websites. If you want to jump on <a href="http://Sina.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">Sina.com</a> or Baidu, by all means you can. Same for any other country in the world.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_aWpyRUq_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_978"><a name="comment135099"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_NtWVmw3_comment"><p class="comment_text">re: competitive intelligence (that part of his answer was added later)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_bnDJyOY_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_714"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_vFxZu1U_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_738"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_775"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_938"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Why-is-The-Four-Steps-to-the-Epiphany-so-hard-to-read" id="__w2_f47diB6_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_939"></span>Why is "The Four Steps to the Epiphany" so hard to read?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_739"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_krxAH7X_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_krxAH7X_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_807"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_USCXGGD_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_USCXGGD_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_krxAH7X_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_UQIYJbk_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_UQIYJbk_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_UQIYJbk_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_krxAH7X_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_808"></div></div></div>He took his course notes and self-published.<br /><br />The binding on the book is horrible and the print is ugly and the alignment of the text in the book is off and the book is way over priced; but its content is good, but was not designed to be a coherent book.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_krxAH7X_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_809"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_PSpBHSO_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_810"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Why-is-The-Four-Steps-to-the-Epiphany-so-hard-to-read/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_r1v9x6E_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_898"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_811"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_mlTBQpM_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_899"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_715"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_EbkHCpw_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_740"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_776"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_940"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Is-it-possible-to-start-algorithmic-trading-on-a-budget-(ie-from-a-bedroom-)" id="__w2_TknccU4_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_941"></span>Is it possible to start algorithmic trading on a budget (ie "from a bedroom")?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_741"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_xU5lqHE_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_xU5lqHE_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_812"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_YpdTHWG_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_YpdTHWG_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_xU5lqHE_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_LmbnNoA_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_LmbnNoA_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_LmbnNoA_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_xU5lqHE_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_813"></div></div></div>You need 10k in an IB account and you get access to most of the data you need to start prototyping and back-testing algorithms.<br /><br />After that, if you can show your strategy works, you may be able to get more capital. For trading on your own money, I think you need a bit more than 10k. 10k is great for OTC/Pink Sheet stocks (which are easier to do algorithmic trading in, because the larger firms are not interested).<br /><br />If you have a small amount of capital, focus on the smaller cap stocks. The lager, more sophisticated firms have too much capital to even bother with them.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_xU5lqHE_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_814"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_Jlz23HE_view_comment_link">5 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_815"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Is-it-possible-to-start-algorithmic-trading-on-a-budget-(ie-from-a-bedroom-)/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_cAOiXj0_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_900"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_816"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_L2nkPeW_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_901"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_979"><a name="comment133031"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_CXfleNU_comment"><p class="comment_text">Some of the smaller cap stocks will only have one or two market makers, and you will see spreads open up when they are paying attention to other stocks or (evidently) going to lunch. You don't have to beat the market maker, just exploit the prices that can be had at different times of the day.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Bill-McDonald">Bill McDonald</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_FTBGkua_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_980"><a name="comment133061"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_Wp6aZpl_comment"><p class="comment_text">That is interesting.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_oEX7tb0_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_981"><a name="comment133063"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_srC7BcA_comment"><p class="comment_text">So you just look at the mean spread for the stock and assume the spread will eventually revert to the mean and then arbitrage it.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_nTPAOKn_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_982"><a name="comment133082"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_MxIe9dA_comment"><p class="comment_text">It is usually not so direct with the thin stocks. You look at the trading and on similar stocks and try to figure out what is going on. <br /><br />One thing that's easy to see is reversion to a key number, often an round number like $5.00 or $ 10.<br /><br />Often you can find out which firms trade stock X and see what other stocks they play with - let's say A through H. See what happens when stock D gets a takeover offer and volume goes through the roof - do the rest of the stocks trade rationally or erratically ?<br /><br />Once you think you know, you then pick the algorithm, or decide to look at other stocks.<br /><br />I should emphasize that this is as exciting as watching paint dry, with the same level of intellectual stimulation.<br /><br />I have not looked to see if there was a range of stocks say those at the bottom of the Russel 2000 or just outside, that behave better.<br /><br />You do all this work, and then you scalp 75 cents on a 15 dollar stock about once every 4 months.<br /><br />What's is bad is that a few thousand dollars can often move the stock, so you create slippage that works against you. This limits how much capital you can use. So you do the work, but your reward from a specific stock is limited.<br /><br />This is enough to drive people to drink or value investing.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Bill-McDonald">Bill McDonald</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_x0Wc3wb_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_983"><a name="comment133083"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_zFI1FvP_comment"><p class="comment_text">"What's is bad is that a few thousand dollars can often move the stock, so you create slippage that works against you. "<br /><br />"This is enough to drive people to drink or value investing."<br /><br />LMAO!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_sM7K8wB_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_716"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_ZCHUlft_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_742"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_777"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_942"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Is-there-a-free-SEO-keyword-research-tool-that-has-accurate-traffic-estimation-for-keywords" id="__w2_SxqNPyM_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_943"></span>Is there a free SEO keyword research tool that has accurate traffic estimation for keywords?</a></span></h2></div></div><div 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href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_Tli0z9v_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_Tli0z9v_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_Tli0z9v_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_yXJcjNp_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_823"></div></div></div>It is not public information at this point.<br /><br />I suspect however that Comcast will set a precedent and begin charging monopoly rents.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_yXJcjNp_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_824"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_HGJdDVq_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_825"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-much-does-Comcast-want-to-charge-L3-for-delivering-Netflix-movies/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" 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id="ld_5sX5ZH_827"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_Au8aHJh_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_Au8aHJh_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_xpgIb7K_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_CnPIqr5_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_CnPIqr5_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_CnPIqr5_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_xpgIb7K_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_828"></div></div></div>Trademark key-word related to the domain and document a common law trademark.<br /><br />Then file an in-rem lawsuit against the domain. Be sure to use a favorable jurisdiction. Most domain owners will not pay for a lawyer (especially if your chosen jurisdiction is very far from where they live) and you will get a default judgement. This works especially well when the cost of defending the lawsuit exceeds the value of the domain.<br /><br />If their registrar is in the US, then a court ruling in any state can compel the registrar to hand over the domain. However, if they are using an off-shore registrar, you have to go through the ICANN resolution procedure.<br /><br />If an in-rem lawsuit does not work, then use the ICANN resolution procedure.<br /><br />Squatters have had thousands of their domains in inventory seized through in-rem lawsuits the ICANN dispute resolution procedures.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_xpgIb7K_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_829"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_G6iArvE_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_830"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-can-I-get-a-domain-name-from-a-squatter/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_kHsX8BS_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_906"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_831"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_nkxVHoQ_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_907"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_719"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_dKvTwJn_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_748"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_780"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_948"></span><a class="question_link" href="/What-was-Operation-Aurora" id="__w2_ziYPygR_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_949"></span>What was Operation Aurora?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_749"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_f4E5ekj_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_f4E5ekj_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_832"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_jxGudl5_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_jxGudl5_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_f4E5ekj_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_SpFT8If_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_SpFT8If_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_SpFT8If_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_f4E5ekj_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_833"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">1</strong> vote</span> by <a class="user" href="/Inigo-Sarmiento">Inigo Sarmiento</a></span></div></div></div>Google and about 50 other US companies were hacked and their source code was stolen. This industrial espionage has been occurring since 1992.<br /><br />The source code stolen in Operation Aurora will make its way to Chinese companies and these companies will compete against American companies in the international market.<br /><br />Operation Aurora is just another case of state sponsored industrial espionage.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_f4E5ekj_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_834"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_Bo6Pt5D_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_835"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/What-was-Operation-Aurora/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_PHTumMy_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_908"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_836"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_tFT5z1W_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_909"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_720"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_QVUmMPN_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_750"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_781"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_950"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Can-venture-capitalists-take-back-their-money" id="__w2_APUmqEI_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_951"></span>Can venture capitalists take back their money?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_751"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_Q7yW0gV_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_Q7yW0gV_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_837"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_H9siKbk_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_H9siKbk_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_Q7yW0gV_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_vdLYI3L_link"><span class="rep" id="__w2_vdLYI3L_sig">I write machine learning based s...</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_vdLYI3L_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_vdLYI3L_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_Q7yW0gV_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_838"></div></div></div>Yes.<br /><br />There are contract clauses such as "redemption rights", which the VC can exercise to force the company to buy-back the shares held by the VC.<br /><br />The redemption rights allow the VC to force the management into a liquidity event. "Sell the company or we will execute our redemption rights..." and give the VCs leverage over management.<br /><br />If VCs trigger their redemption rights and the company fails to meet the obligation, the VCs may be able to take over the board of directors of the company.<br /><br />I am actually surprised that this does not happen more often. I am not sure how popular redemption rights are today compared to a decade ago.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_Q7yW0gV_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_839"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_lTKSkeF_view_comment_link">2 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_840"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Can-venture-capitalists-take-back-their-money/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_JSTvj8f_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_910"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_841"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_kXCbWEV_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_911"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_984"><a name="comment129383"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_ESeGACD_comment"><p class="comment_text">According to the Fenwick and West survey only ~20% of venture deals in silicon valley have redemption rights and from experience I would say that most of those are redemption rights that can't be exercised for 5+ years after the initial investment</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gus-Fuldner">Gus Fuldner</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_efm1elN_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_985"><a name="comment129406"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_g2zOB9G_comment"><p class="comment_text">Yes. You are correct.<br /><br />Redemption rights are much more common on the east coast and for traditional venture capital.<br /><br />However, Silicon Valley VCs are less likely to need redemption rights because they are funding pre-revenue companies and often have effective board control. 2+2+1 with a VC affiliated 'independent' director.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_YdwW9jd_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_721"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_ZTOCObV_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_752"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_782"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_952"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Why-do-most-funded-startups-have-Web-based-products-while-desktop-producing-companies-usually-bootstrap" id="__w2_vyOSJWO_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_953"></span>Why do most funded startups have Web-based products, while desktop-producing companies usually bootstrap?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_753"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_coMdxxY_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_coMdxxY_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_842"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_k5ZQKCO_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_k5ZQKCO_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_coMdxxY_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_yBQAqv1_link"><span class="rep" id="__w2_yBQAqv1_sig">I write machine learning based s...</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_yBQAqv1_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_yBQAqv1_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_coMdxxY_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_843"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">4</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/Kenny-Yu">Kenny Yu</a>, <a class="user" href="/John-Marsland">John Marsland</a> and <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a></span></div></div></div>Web apps are more difficult to monetize. I had a website with 250,000 MAU and we were barely able to break even on the server costs ($200/month). Twitter's Average Revenue Per Users (ARPU) is zero.<br /><br />With desktop apps, people at least pay you money.<br /><br />Companies like Digg have 15 million a year in revenue on ads, but cannot even break even. Digg without venture capital would be insolvent. Myspace is losing money and has tens of millions of users.<br /><br />Facebook's eCPM rates on their ad inventory are lower than the eCPM rates on porn sites.<br /><br />It is extremely difficult to break even in web apps unless you can get users to pay you. Your only exit options are acquisitions.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_coMdxxY_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_844"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_FzzysQ9_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_845"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Why-do-most-funded-startups-have-Web-based-products-while-desktop-producing-companies-usually-bootstrap/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_TCzkqkU_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_912"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_846"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_QMRvUgy_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_913"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_722"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_KGyqTNz_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_754"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_783"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_954"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Why-do-humans-die" id="__w2_UX2WrMZ_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_955"></span>Why do humans die?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_755"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_EwYrlnO_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_EwYrlnO_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_847"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_yNfY2to_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_yNfY2to_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_EwYrlnO_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_xlEGG3R_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_xlEGG3R_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_xlEGG3R_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_EwYrlnO_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_848"></div></div></div>The only thing that can kill a human is organ failure.<br /><br />All causes of death are a direct causal result of organ failure.<br /><br />The most common cause of death is heart failure.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_EwYrlnO_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_849"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_bwbnfcD_view_comment_link">2 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_850"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Why-do-humans-die/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_EaIewCk_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_914"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_851"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_cSnj8CU_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_915"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_986"><a name="comment129414"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_t36opel_comment"><p class="comment_text">True :(</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Matt-Langley">Matt Langley</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_WvUHGi7_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_987"><a name="comment129416"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_tznkMbF_comment"><p class="comment_text">The good part, is that most organs are just mechanistic.<br /><br />The lungs are gas exchange membranes.<br /><br />The kidney filters out anything larger than an ion which has a large solvation shell.<br /><br />The heart just pumps blood.<br /><br />We can replicate and improve or replace most of the human organs. We can even replace certain areas of the brain that have been reverse engineered and reimplemented in VLSI/silicon.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_aa3fcdz_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_723"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_eob8jQG_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_756"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_784"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_956"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Which-fast-serial-algorithms-dont-have-efficient-parallel-equivalents" id="__w2_HJPH95G_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_957"></span>Which fast serial algorithms don't have efficient parallel equivalents?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_757"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_IHOuUG4_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_IHOuUG4_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_852"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_o6G4btY_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_o6G4btY_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_IHOuUG4_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_eMjOOiU_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_eMjOOiU_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_eMjOOiU_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_IHOuUG4_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_853"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Xianhang-Zhang">Xianhang Zhang</a> and <a class="user" href="/Jaap-Weel">Jaap Weel</a></span></div></div></div>Cycle detection in directed graphs has linear time serial algorithms, however it is provable difficult to parallize. The fastest parallel algorithms scale as sqrt(n) where n is the number of processors.<br /><br />This is very interesting because cycle detection algorithms are a critical part of 3-SAT solvers and it suggests that they may be difficult to scale out over multiple CPUs without a shared memory architecture. However in practice you are often only interested in small degree cycles and there are efficient algorithms for detecting these.<br /><br />These problems will become a more important performance bottleneck as OWL and semantic web reasoners are deployed on web-scale dataset that require distributed computing.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_IHOuUG4_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_854"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_elGOQRd_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_855"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Which-fast-serial-algorithms-dont-have-efficient-parallel-equivalents/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_Me9yhRW_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_916"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_856"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_pCKuYNo_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_917"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_724"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_gy23h1w_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_758"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_785"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_958"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Why-does-physical-space-have-3-dimensions" id="__w2_AQR7vWt_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_959"></span>Why does physical space have 3 dimensions?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_759"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_xLAOE1d_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_xLAOE1d_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_857"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_S7CnHbo_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_S7CnHbo_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_xLAOE1d_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_hjYZv3q_link"><span class="rep" id="__w2_hjYZv3q_sig">Hilbert Spaces, Differential Geo...</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_hjYZv3q_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_hjYZv3q_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_xLAOE1d_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_858"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Anthony-Foster">Anthony Foster</a> and <a class="user" href="/Martin-Jambon">Martin Jambon</a></span></div></div></div>The answer has something to do with group theory and the quaternions and the Clifford algebras. <br /><br />Locally, our universe has a Lorentz transformation invariant geometry. If you take Coulomb law + Lorentz invariance, you can prove maxwell's equations.<br /><br />There is a proof of this in:<br /><br />Principles of Electrodynamics <a href="http://amzn.to/fNNtZh" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://am<wbr />zn.to/fNNtZh</a><br /><br />Now, maxwell's equations have interesting symmetries that only make sense in 3 'spatial' dimensions and which cannot exist for any other dimension number. The symmetry that contains our universe to three spatial dimensions is very closely related to quaternions and the cross-product operator.<br /><br />It turns out that our typical classical physics model is not invariant under all the unitary transformations on its coordinate system. Maxwell's equations are invariant under rotations of the coordinate system, however any scalar defined in terms of a cross product is actually negated under a flip of the coordinates (parity).<br /><br /><x | y > = < -x | -y ><br /><br />Inner products are preserved under flipping. However, for cross products,<br />a x b = -1* ( -a x -b) , where a and b are vectors and x is the cross product operator.<br /><br />A scalar property defined as the inner product of a vector and the cross product of two vectors, is therefore not invariant under inversion of the coordinate system!<br />Some of the things physicists call scalars, are not actually scalars! They are pseudo-scalars because they are not invariant under a unitary transformation of the coordinate system!<br /><br />This means the vector space is not actually a Hilbert Space and the vectors are not actually vectors, but "pseudo-vectors" (you have to rotate them through 4*pi radians on any axis to get back where they stated. They are anti-symmetric under inversion of the coordinate system). The inner product of a vector and a pseudo-vector is actually a pseudo-scalar, but physicists like to pretend that these are just scalars (but they are not).<br /><br />The unitary transformations are the isometries of the inner-product metric on the Hilbert Space and physicists often do not differentiate between the mathematics used to model/describe the system and the actual system state and therefore these confusions occur.<br /><br />The reason we have 3 dimensions is that the cross-product operator and the symmetries we observe, cannot exist in a higher or lower number of dimensions.<br /><br />The pseudo-scalars and pseudo-vectors operations you need only exist in certain dimension numbers, one of which is 3. I think 4, 7, 11 and 21 also seem to work, but that there are only a small number possible dimensions due to mathematical symmetry constraints.<br /><br />I wish I could explain this better, but I am not an expert on the Clifford Algebras.<br />I think the answer is in this book:<br /><br />Space-Time Algebra <a href="http://amzn.to/dZjB4d" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://amzn.to/dZ<wbr />jB4d</a><br /><br />If you want conservation of energy, 1/r^2 laws or Lorentz invariance, you are mathematically constrained to a very small number of possible spatial dimensions. If you throw away any of the implied symmetries, you end up with something that does not resemble our universe.<br /><br />Most of theoretical physics today is just thinly disguised group theory.<br /><br />For instance, "conservation of energy" is just invariance of a system's Hamiltonian func<wbr />tion under translation in time. If something is true in physics, it is because a set of symmetries forces it to be true.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_xLAOE1d_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_859"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_tbuGNVr_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_860"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Why-does-physical-space-have-3-dimensions/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_WcFKtQp_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_918"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_861"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_u9ToLwF_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_919"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_725"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_kOOpGJL_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_760"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_786"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_960"></span><a class="question_link" href="/If-the-U-S-Capital-Gains-tax-rate-went-back-to-20-what-would-happen" id="__w2_VWEtCv2_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_961"></span>If the U.S. Capital Gains tax rate went back to 20%, what would happen?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_761"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_aplH5CY_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_aplH5CY_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_862"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_KSBsYcT_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_KSBsYcT_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_aplH5CY_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_YfgjZnf_link"><span class="rep" id="__w2_YfgjZnf_sig">I write machine learning based s...</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_YfgjZnf_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_YfgjZnf_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_aplH5CY_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_863"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a> and <a class="user" href="/Yaniv-Goldenrand">Yaniv Goldenrand</a></span></div></div></div>The capital gains tax is an implicit tax on wealth, because nominal increases in asset value are taxed and not the inflation adjusted purchasing power of the assets being held for investment.<br /><br />A 33% increase in the capital gains tax, to 20%, will severely erode capital accumulation in America (even more than the current 15% tax).<br /><br />The transition to a higher capital gains tax rate combined with a high inflation rate and currency devaluation could mark the end of the American empire. An increase in the capital gains tax rate will accelerate capital flight. It is believed by many economists that an increase in the capital gains tax rate will decrease tax revenues.<br /><br />Tax revenues are maximized when capital accumulation is maximized and economic studies suggest that tax revenue is maximized when the capital gains tax rates are zero.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_aplH5CY_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_864"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_SL3cvqb_view_comment_link">5 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_865"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/If-the-U-S-Capital-Gains-tax-rate-went-back-to-20-what-would-happen/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_Zm5gyjB_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_920"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_866"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_cyo6WVI_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_921"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_988"><a name="comment127989"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_njQsksu_comment"><p class="comment_text">The republican mantra that lower tax rates raise enough new taxes to replace that lost by a reduction in the rate has never been shown to be factual. During the Reagan tax cuts the economy recovered due to the action of the fed to stop inflation so there's no proof that the reduction in income taxes is what caused the increase in tax revenues. The GWBush tax cuts did not increase tax revenue so again there's no evidence.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gary-Stein">Gary Stein</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_bAuwgJR_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_989"><a name="comment127993"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_wY5qIbH_comment"><p class="comment_text">I think that even if taxes were increased, the revenues would be spent inefficiently.<br /><br />They would not go towards education and infrastructure. We allocate resources by political processes instead of a rational or quantitative process.<br /><br />The issue of capital accumulation is very important however. Its up in the air what would happen.<br /><br />Looking at the tax law, instead of building a revenue generating company, I should be building companies to flip (turning income into long-term capital gains tax), unless the scale of the revenue of company is such that it could go public.<br /><br />Companies like Google do not pay taxes and they can afford to buy these little companies (and write off the costs as a deduction against their income).<br /><br />I think these tax rates distort or determine my behavior and my preferences and the ways in which I choose to generate wealth. That distortion may not be good for the economy.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_czWNlTr_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_990"><a name="comment127996"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_YoI5SFI_comment"><p class="comment_text">All those I agree with, it's just the old saw that lowering tax rates increases revenue that is wishful thinking. But I do agree with all your other comments.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gary-Stein">Gary Stein</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_g6dQSDR_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_991"><a name="comment127998"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_Kj6yi0H_comment"><p class="comment_text">For instance, the wealthy allocate assets into classes that have favorable tax treatment, rather than asset classes that produce the greatest rates of returns.<br /><br />When real estate investment trusts had favorable policies with regard to loss deductions, there was a massive movement of capital into that asset class, despite poor returns. When the favorable tax treatme<wbr />nt ended, there was capital flight out of the asset class.<br /><br />Same with the savings and loans crisis...<br /><br />Today, stock ownership / capital gains from stock appreciation has favorable treatment compared to dividends.<br /><br />The result is that people prefer large companies like Google to invest revenue internally and achieve asset appreciation of Google stock, instead of issuing a dividend. With a dividend, people would be able to reinvest the capital in the asset class with the highest growth, instead of the default decision of having the money reinvested in the company that generated it (at a comparably lower rate of return).<br /><br />This is great for large companies, because it lowers their cost of capital. However, it is bad for investors because it lowers their rate of return.<br /><br />However, it is good for investors because it allows them to defer capital gains tax until the sale of the assets and for their capital to compound without constant taxation.<br /><br />I think the point is that if we tax investment at 50% per year, we are decreasing the rate of capital accumulation/formation by half.<br /><br />I think the US should do fair-tax and eliminate or lower capital gains taxes to ~10% and dividends/capital gains should be treated identically. Short-term capital gains should be lowered to the level of long-term rates.<br /><br />The US should become a tax haven for foreign investment.<br /><br />A consumption based tax makes more sense than an income tax, especially from the perspective of capital accumulation.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_rjZNUmN_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_992"><a name="comment128002"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_gYVb8Np_comment"><p class="comment_text">Actually though due to the Feds artificially keeping interest rates low. There is a huge demand for returns thus members of the Dividend Arstocrats of the S&P are being bid up due to exceptional demand and there is a great deal of pressure being put on the Ciscos, Apples, Amazons to pay a dividend even though as you say capital gains receives a better tax treatment then do dividends.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gary-Stein">Gary Stein</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_JLnINPN_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_726"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_sy2bbON_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_762"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_787"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_962"></span><a class="question_link" href="/How-did-Mark-Zuckerberg-retain-26-of-equity-after-so-many-rounds-of-financing" id="__w2_WLHqY1F_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_963"></span>How did Mark Zuckerberg retain 26% of equity after so many rounds of financing?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_763"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_e2VQaOS_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_e2VQaOS_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_867"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_fXUlSDv_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_fXUlSDv_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_e2VQaOS_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_rFJuyG3_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_rFJuyG3_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_rFJuyG3_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_e2VQaOS_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_868"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">34</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_hTQujfL_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Philip-Mikal">Philip Mikal</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_hTQujfL_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_hTQujfL_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Philip-Mikal">Philip Mikal</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Mike-Mimbo">Mike Mimbo</a>, <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a>, <a class="user" href="/Matt-Langley">Matt Langley</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ayo-Omojola">Ayo Omojola</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ori-Barbut">Ori Barbut</a>, <a class="user" href="/Janusz-Jamrozik">Janusz Jamrozik</a>, <a class="user" href="/Matthew-Hill">Matthew Hill</a>, <a class="user" href="/Patrick-A-Foley">Patrick A Foley</a>, <a class="user" href="/Gene-Folgo">Gene Folgo</a>, <a class="user" href="/Arjun-Sethi">Arjun Sethi</a>, <a class="user" href="/Yishan-Wong">Yishan Wong</a>, <a class="user" href="/Sasha-Katsnelson">Sasha Katsnelson</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ashot-Petrosian">Ashot Petrosian</a>, <a class="user" href="/Saul-Lustgarten">Saul Lustgarten</a>, <a class="user" href="/Neeraj-Agrawal">Neeraj Agrawal</a>, <a class="user" href="/Andrew-Boz-Bosworth">Andrew 'Boz' Bosworth</a>, <a class="user" href="/Phil-Wolff">Phil Wolff</a>, <a class="user" href="/Chetan-Conikee">Chetan Conikee</a>, <a class="user" href="/Tyler-Willis">Tyler Willis</a>, <a class="user" href="/Mircea-Goia">Mircea Goia</a>, <a class="user" href="/Asics-Yao">Asics Yao</a>, <a class="user" href="/Justin-Cambria">Justin Cambria</a>, <a class="user" href="/Tzury-Bar-Yochay">Tzury Bar Yochay</a>, <a class="user" href="/Murtaza-Ali-Akbar">Murtaza Ali Akbar</a>, <a class="user" href="/Borislav-Agapiev">Borislav Agapiev</a>, <a class="user" href="/Daniel-Waldron">Daniel Waldron</a>, <a class="user" href="/Bharanidharan-Viswanathan-1">Bharanidharan Viswanathan</a>, <a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a>, <a class="user" href="/Amit-Chaudhary">Amit Chaudhary</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Aniq-Rahman">Aniq Rahman</a> and <a class="user" href="/John-Manoogian">John Manoogian</a></span></span></div></div></div>There are several factors<br /><br /><ul><li>Mark Zuckerberg retained board control and therefore was able to block dilutive and unnecessary "inside" rounds.</li><li>Facebook was break-even on gifts and display advertising by the time of its VC rounds. Your valuation is much higher if you have revenues.</li><li>Facebook's early investors were very prominent and they bid up Facebook's valuation. The social connection of the early employees and high profile angels (Anderson, Thiel) ensured that Facebook had many high profile venture firms interested in the company. This was essential to establishing a competitive valuation process.</li><li>Facebook had multiple offers and was able to start a valuation bidding war between investors. If you have multiple interested investors, you will have a better valuation. It is impossible to have a competitive valuation process with only a single interested investor.</li><li>Sean Parker.</li></ul><div class="action_bar" id="__w2_e2VQaOS_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_869"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_i7FU6JG_view_comment_link">16 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_870"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-did-Mark-Zuckerberg-retain-26-of-equity-after-so-many-rounds-of-financing/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_sXWNFLz_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_922"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_871"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_n5SQVMZ_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_923"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_993"><a name="comment127255"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_geiHhpa_comment"><p class="comment_text">I still don not understand how this can happen. If he himself did not get diluted, someone got to be diluted. and the question is "who are they? early employees or early investors"</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Sean-Yang">Sean Yang</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_PeFmLWz_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_994"><a name="comment127356"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_h0M4GGz_comment"><p class="comment_text">He did get diluted (he owns 26%, not 100%)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_Fq0OtwR_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_995"><a name="comment127495"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_Ut4wMXt_comment"><p class="comment_text">Maybe Eduardo Saverin's shares got dilluted a lot.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mircea-Goia">Mircea Goia</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_EeOZUBD_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_996"><div class="comment comment_dotdotdot p0_5"><a class="supp" href="#" onclick="$('.hidden_comments_161241').toggleClass('hidden');
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This was the subject of a lawsuit that Eduando filed.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_hJUowm3_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1023"><a name="comment127527"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_beCrBiG_comment"><p class="comment_text">"Saverin sued Zuckerberg and Facebook in April 2005, after he dropped Saverin's percentage ownership share of Facebook to 0.03%. Saverin won in court; the court verified 7% ownership."<br /><br />This happens, but its rare that it goes to court and it is even rarer that the court rules against the company.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_GT2glU4_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1024"><a name="comment127528"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_FJu3wFM_comment"><p class="comment_text">"On October 31, 2004, Eduardo signed a shareholder agreement that alloted him 3 million shares of common stock in the new company. In the agreement, he handed over all relevant intellectual property and turned over his voting rights to Mark Zuckerberg. Mark became Facebook's sole director.<br />On January 7, 2005, Mark caused Facebook to issue 9 million shares of common stock in the new company. He took 3.3. million shares for himself and gave 2 million to Sean Parker and 2 million to Dustin Moskovitz. This share issuance instantly diluted Eduardo's stake in the company from ~24% to below 10%."<br />I am surprised that the court ruled in favor of Eduardo. Its extremely rare. Directors are given a very wide discretion.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_RUug1ob_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1025"><a name="comment127569"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_ct2J8xd_comment"><p class="comment_text">Well, he should praise the God of startups that he got lucky to get something back :). He is worth now almost a billion...what more can he ask?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Mircea-Goia">Mircea Goia</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_L0tJGtf_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1026"><a name="comment127691"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_wA2ZWar_comment"><p class="comment_text">Wait so after Sean Parker was diluted, how many shares did Mark hold? And if I understand correctly you're saying Sean Parker's previous experience with being screwed over and dealing with equity issues helped Mark right?</p><p class="action_bar">Anon User<span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_vrtJ61v_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1027"><a name="comment127760"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_ui38mqo_comment"><p class="comment_text">I think what we need here is someone to give us a detailed rundown on all the dirty tricks a VC can potentially play on eager naive entrepreneurs. Im not saying all VCs are bad but Im sure there are the bad apples there, and thats who we need to watch out for! So does someone have a checklist of the most common things to o'watch out for' ?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Rajeev-Sharma">Rajeev Sharma</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_fPu3wor_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1028"><a name="comment127772"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_KOm1FrT_comment"><p class="comment_text">Yes, Rajeev, it is called "your lawyer."</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_YWL4NAt_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1029"><a name="comment127790"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_wHYQt6t_comment"><p class="comment_text">:-) you;re right. sorry was that a dumb question!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Rajeev-Sharma">Rajeev Sharma</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_AOdHWb7_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1030"><a name="comment127861"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_aGWtNVq_comment"><p class="comment_text">Sorry....that was a little glib. It is worth understanding all of the ins and outs of financing and what you should ask for when. However it always comes down to a few moments when you have a decision to either sign something or not sign it, and at that point you have to have a lawyer you trust completely. (Eduardo Saverin did not have a lawyer when he signed the fateful docs!)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_y8PNDgb_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1031"><a name="comment127872"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_DKeFteS_comment"><p class="comment_text">"And if I understand correctly you're saying Sean Parker's previous experience with being screwed over and dealing with equity issues helped Mark right?"<br /><br />Oh ya. Sean Parker is a veteran with being screwed over by VCs. He was kicked out of 3 companies in a row, by the investors.<br /><br />Sean Parker is obviously extremely brilliant, but he is a flawed character and has a personality and style that does not jibe with investors.<br /><br />Sean Parker is a modern day Jim Clark and entrepreneurial anti-<wbr />hero.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_cbqCITM_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1032"><a name="comment128378"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_rbFBOWy_comment"><p class="comment_text">Very good overall response.<br />I would suggest impact of putting acquirers against investors as an additional reason for better valuation. And using partnerships as investments at high valuation.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Amit-Chaudhary">Amit Chaudhary</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_iUHYrge_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_997"><a name="comment128446"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_KVSeDBO_comment"><p class="comment_text">"Mark Zuckerberg retained board control and therefore was able to block dilutive and unnecessary "inside" rounds." Can you describe what an inside round is, and how it would be used?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Shervin-Talieh">Shervin Talieh</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_UZhydun_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_998"><a name="comment132847"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_I7wiCl7_comment"><p class="comment_text">I think it is worth noting the quasi biding war that ensued, first with the Yahoo! $1B acquisition offer, then Google's interest, then Microsoft's interest (primarily in order to block Google). As I understand it, the quantum leap from a $550m valuation to the $15B valuation with Microsoft's $240m investment was a result of them "buying" a right of first refusal to acquire the company outright if Facebook received an offer from Google. Once you reach those heights, the dilution is minimal even though the successive investments were in the 9 digit figures. Once you have all that cash and momentum, how can you be stopped?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Michael-Tupper">Michael Tupper</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_oPqIW73_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_727"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_bYns8Zy_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_764"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_788"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_964"></span><a class="question_link" href="/When-seeking-someone-in-a-coffee-shop-whom-youve-never-seen-before-what-are-some-useful-tips" id="__w2_fkPn7f6_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_965"></span>When seeking someone in a coffee shop whom you've never seen before, what are some useful tips?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_765"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_YFXOVYa_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_YFXOVYa_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_872"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_O7NvD7g_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_O7NvD7g_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_YFXOVYa_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_yWuUu88_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_yWuUu88_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_yWuUu88_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_YFXOVYa_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_873"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">4</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a>, <a class="user" href="/Jonathan-Brill">Jonathan Brill</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a> and <a class="user" href="/John-Marsland">John Marsland</a></span></div></div></div>I would use an SMS gateway to send 256 text messages to their cell phone and then look for the person whose phone is going berserk.<br /><br />See: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_SMS_gateways" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://en.wikipedia.org/w<wbr />iki/Lis...</a><div class="action_bar" id="__w2_YFXOVYa_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_874"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_lWnf3PI_view_comment_link">2 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_875"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/When-seeking-someone-in-a-coffee-shop-whom-youve-never-seen-before-what-are-some-useful-tips/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_HeE7E5B_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_924"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_876"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_rxJH3kT_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_925"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_999"><a name="comment127207"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_OHDbWvb_comment"><p class="comment_text">I always get their mobile number before the meeting, and i call them at the exact time we were supposed to meet. Either i see them answer their phone or they tell me where they're at and then I just look for the next rushed person who runs through the door scanning faces to find me.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Jonathan-Brill">Jonathan Brill</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_DBWJFwo_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1000"><a name="comment127210"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_O81ZU5i_comment"><p class="comment_text">That works too.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_SRjxakV_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_728"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_YLf7lGp_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_766"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_789"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_966"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Would-it-help-employment-if-we-went-back-to-less-efficient-ways-of-doing-things" id="__w2_c8tfgwv_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_967"></span>Would it help employment if we went back to less efficient ways of doing things?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_767"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_Jxs1ToV_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_Jxs1ToV_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_877"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_dp6psbh_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_dp6psbh_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_Jxs1ToV_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_h6L7klM_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_h6L7klM_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_h6L7klM_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_Jxs1ToV_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_878"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">1</strong> vote</span> by <a class="user" href="/Eric-Shull">Eric Shull</a></span></div></div></div>Employment would increase, but prices would go back up.<br /><br />Low wages result in lower prices for consumer goods.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_Jxs1ToV_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_879"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_KuhHH5r_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_880"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Would-it-help-employment-if-we-went-back-to-less-efficient-ways-of-doing-things/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_a1owLOI_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_926"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_881"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_xNmoEqB_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_927"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_729"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_AF7mxPH_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_768"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_790"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_968"></span><a class="question_link" href="/How-soon-before-the-secondary-equity-markets-come-under-regulatory-scrutiny" id="__w2_eUHJxMw_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_969"></span>How soon before the secondary equity markets come under regulatory scrutiny?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_769"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_lUJKA1k_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_lUJKA1k_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_882"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_x49xc1I_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_x49xc1I_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_lUJKA1k_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_zJ1tuQ3_link"><span class="rep" id="__w2_zJ1tuQ3_sig">I write machine learning based s...</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_zJ1tuQ3_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_zJ1tuQ3_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_lUJKA1k_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_883"></div></div></div>Not long. Investment banks make a premium in transaction costs because of market illiquidity in privately held securities. I believe the existing investment banks will lobby to undermine secondary market liquidity and push for heavy and burdensome regulation.<br /><br />This what Goldman Sachs did to address the threat of electronic exchanges for OTC which side stepped the investment banks (Goldman now generates most of its revenue from the transaction costs on these instruments as OTC trading on exchanges its prohibitively regulated).<br /><br />Direct public offerings and other means of increasing liquidity and decreasing financial tran<wbr />saction costs for currently illiquid securities were regulated with prohibitive and very restrictive financial information disclosure requirements that reduced their attractiveness.<br /><br />Obviously we cannot have companies communicating with investors directly over the internet to perform their public offerings as that would cut out the investment banks.<br /><br />For some idea of what kind of regulations will be used to kill liquidity on the secondary markets,<br /><br />See: <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=831906" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://papers.ssrn.c<wbr />om/sol3/pape...</a><div class="action_bar" id="__w2_lUJKA1k_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_884"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_RfqCux7_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_885"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-soon-before-the-secondary-equity-markets-come-under-regulatory-scrutiny/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_RIl9fEQ_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_928"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_886"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_QcEyPI9_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_929"></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_5sX5ZH_730"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_jHlxuJu_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_770"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_791"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_970"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Does-the-Silicon-Valley-mindset-give-companies-a-pass-for-not-having-a-business-model-because-that-would-hinder-innovation" id="__w2_v3gTG7u_link"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_971"><span class="best_source_icon" id="__w2_PaNTkKW_icon"></span></span>Does the Silicon Valley mindset give companies a pass for not having a business model because that would hinder innovation?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_771"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_c4sU83v_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_c4sU83v_answer_voting"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_887"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_ebS6kxd_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_ebS6kxd_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_c4sU83v_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_zGwoMv0_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_zGwoMv0_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_zGwoMv0_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_c4sU83v_answer_voters"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_888"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">3</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Matt-Scullin">Matt Scullin</a>, <a class="user" href="/Alexander-Dominic-Horré">Alexander Dominic Horré</a> and <a class="user" href="/Ori-Barbut">Ori Barbut</a></span></div></div></div>There are two types of companies. There are web 2.0 companies that have lots of eye-balls (content) and there are companies with business models.<br /><br />For instance, tech crunch sold for 40 million.<br /><br />If you have a startup with 6000 subscribers at $30/month and you sell your company for 20x earnings. That is 43 million dollars.<br /><br />If you are ad supported and your eCPM rate is $0.05 cents (like Facebook/4-Chan/Dating sites), then you need 3.6 billion page views per month to hit 40 million valuation at 20x earnings.<br /><br />Alternatively, you can find 60 companies that will pay you $3000 a month for a service (SaS) and have a 40 million valuation at 20x earnings.<br /><br />The idea behind many of these Web 2.0 sites like Slide and Path is not to make money. The idea is that Google and Microsoft have made offers for twitter that value the company at over $60 per active user.<br /><br />The assets of the company are the employees, the platform and user-base; not the revenue stream of the company.<br /><br />It would probably be more effective for Google to pay people $60 per active Buzz user they sign up, than to buy Twitter at $60/user, but they will try to buy Twitter anyways. Yahoo made an offer to Facebook of $260 per user. Will Facebook even be able to realize revenues of $260 per user over the lifetime of the user?<br /><br />Companies will pay a premium to acquire platform control and to buy companies like Path to acquire their user-bases. It is not very clear why they will pay a premium for these users if they have no effective way of monetizing the user-base.<br /><br />Technology companies in general do not pay dividends and often have a cash hoard they need to get rid of. Google has so much money that it is opening up a corporate bond trading desk to invest it. Maybe a 300 million dollar acquisition of a company like Slide at $50 a user increases the market cap of companies like Google, more than the loss of cash decreases the market cap of these companies.<br /><br />Historically, most mergers and acquisitions are futile and are a waste of money. Sometimes they are strategic, but more often they are represent a net loss of value for the acquiring company, but companies keep doing these large value destroying acquisitions f<wbr />or unknown reasons.<br /><br />People will continue to start companies with no business model and no expectations for revenue, as long as these companies continue to be bought.<br /><br />Smaller, early stage acquisitions howeve<wbr />r can create value and are a valuable source of new products and technological innovations. This is one reasons angel portfolios have been doing so well in recent years. These companies usually exit below 30 million and the returns are too small to interest traditional VC funds, but they have been out-performing VC by a wide margin.<br /><br />I think there is still however a whole cottage industry of building up companies with no revenue and flipping them (ex. Twitter). Only a few very high profile investors with strong connections to the potential acquiring companies will be able to generate returns on these companies however.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_c4sU83v_answer_actions"><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_889"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_EDqVWds_view_comment_link">7 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_890"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Does-the-Silicon-Valley-mindset-give-companies-a-pass-for-not-having-a-business-model-because-that-would-hinder-innovation/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_eRdYVUz_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_5sX5ZH_930"></span></span></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_891"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_W8h6wtk_answer_comments"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_931"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1001"><a name="comment125063"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_qeyQWBm_comment"><p class="comment_text">"Historically, most mergers and acquisitions are futile and are a waste of money. Sometimes they are strategic, but more often they are represent a net loss of value for the acquiring company, but companies keep doing these large value destroying acquisitions f<wbr />or unknown reasons."<br /><br />These deals are driven by investment banks, who generate handsome fees from these deals. For large company CEOs, these acquisitions offer a fast way to show their board that they can continue fast growth. Then they exit, passing the problem on to the next guy.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Paul-Denlinger">Paul Denlinger</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_VgIKFot_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1002"><a name="comment125065"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_diXKYGv_comment"><p class="comment_text">Paul, that is a good point.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_vzZl0hU_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1003"><a name="comment125071"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_dxpi6NH_comment"><p class="comment_text">One need only look at Apples acquisition list to see that Steve Jobs has a finely tuned understanding of this dynamic. The largest acquisition Apple has made was pre Jobs and it was the purchase of Next in order to get him back to Apple after that all Apple buys have been much smaller.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gary-Stein">Gary Stein</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_KBwRzxH_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1004"><div class="comment comment_dotdotdot p0_5"><a class="supp" href="#" onclick="$('.hidden_comments_158651').toggleClass('hidden');
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I'm guessing it was bought for what its team could build for Google.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_wPPxVh7_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1034"><a name="comment125333"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_DgwjIjO_comment"><p class="comment_text">Also, Gary, arguably Apple made a bad decision not outbidding Google on AdMob.<br /><br />Some markets are too important to underbid on the top company.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_fCPU0tx_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1005"><a name="comment125347"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_uGZ7dna_comment"><p class="comment_text">Could be though I don't think we will know the results of that for awhile. I think Job's wants to kern IOS a closed garden and lock out other ad servers so as long as he has the numbers of users to be competive the ad network isn't as important if it's a monopoly.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gary-Stein">Gary Stein</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_ghokttD_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_1006"><a name="comment125357"></a><div class="comment p0_5" id="__w2_IxkjDNO_comment"><p class="comment_text">Great point -- he's not trying to maximize profit here, he's trying to strategically lock developers in and lock competitors out.<br /><br />For those goals I say: well done!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_w8E2uBA_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_731"><div class="hidden" id="__w2_gIDTOnW_loading"><span class="__wn2_loading"><span class="__wn2_loading_spinner"></span><span class="__wn2_loading_text">Loading...</span></span></div><div class="pager_next action_button" id="__w2_gIDTOnW_more">More</div></div></div></div></div><div class="e_col w2_5 side_col"><div class="row"><div class="e_col w1 p1"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_691"><div class="profile_photo"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_694"><a href="/Brandon-Smietana"><img class="profile_photo_img" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-thumb-6673-100-iQY07uHy4EIxliIOKB2oVtdnn7FsdmZc.jpeg" width="100" alt="Brandon Smietana" height="100" /></a></div></div></div></div><div class="e_col w1_5 side_col p1"><div class="light page_opts row"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_692"><ul class="action_list"></ul></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_693"><div class="row p1"><div class="col mini_count first"><a href="/Brandon-Smietana/followers"><strong>471</strong><br />Followers</a></div><div class="col mini_count "><a href="/Brandon-Smietana/following"><strong>301</strong><br />Following</a></div><div class="col mini_count "><a href="/Brandon-Smietana/mentions"><strong>21</strong><br />@Mentions</a></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_689"><div class="row section p1" id="answers"><strong>Recent Top Answers</strong><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_696"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">35</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/How-did-Mark-Zuckerberg-retain-26-of-equity-after-so-many-rounds-of-financing/answer/Brandon-Smietana">How did Mark Zuckerberg retain 26% of equity after so many rounds of financing?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_sS6544S_truncated"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_701"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>There are several factors<br />... <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_V8woLbU_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_sS6544S_expanded"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_702">There are several factors<br /><br /><ul><li>Mark Zuckerberg retained board control and therefore was able to block dilutive and unnecessary "inside" rounds.</li><li>Facebook was break-even on gifts and display advertising by the time of its VC rounds. Your valuation is much higher if you have revenues.</li><li>Facebook's early investors were very prominent and they bid up Facebook's valuation. The social connection of the early employees and high profile angels (Anderson, Thiel) ensured that Facebook had many high profile venture firms interested in the company. This was essential to establishing a competitive valuation process.</li><li>Facebook had multiple offers and was able to start a valuation bidding war between investors. If you have multiple interested investors, you will have a better valuation. It is impossible to have a competitive valuation process with only a single interested investor.</li><li>Sean Parker.</li></ul></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_697"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">17</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Is-it-acceptable-to-cold-call-someone-via-private-message-on-Quora/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Is it acceptable to "cold call" someone via private message on Quora?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_fQdnCq2_truncated"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_703"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>I have met a bunch of interesting people who have cold-called me because they read something I wrote. <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_ZWRg1U5_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_fQdnCq2_expanded"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_704">I have met a bunch of interesting people who have cold-called me because they read something I wrote.<br /><br />Many people would be upset if messaging other users was banned unless you are following each other.</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_698"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">5</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Why-do-most-funded-startups-have-Web-based-products-while-desktop-producing-companies-usually-bootstrap/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Why do most funded startups have Web-based products, while desktop-producing companies usually bootstrap?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_s23hORg_truncated"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_705"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>Web apps are more difficult to monetize. I had a website with 250,000 MAU and we were barely able to break even on the server costs ($200/month).... <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_D6SQEOk_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_s23hORg_expanded"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_706">Web apps are more difficult to monetize. I had a website with 250,000 MAU and we were barely able to break even on the server costs ($200/month). Twitter's Average Revenue Per Users (ARPU) is zero.<br /><br />With desktop apps, people at least pay you money.<br /><br />Companies like Digg have 15 million a year in revenue on ads, but cannot even break even. Digg without venture capital would be insolvent. Myspace is losing money and has tens of millions of users.<br /><br />Facebook's eCPM rates on their ad inventory are lower than the eCPM rates on porn sites.<br /><br />It is extremely difficult to break even in web apps unless you can get users to pay you. Your only exit options are acquisitions.</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_699"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">4</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Does-the-Silicon-Valley-mindset-give-companies-a-pass-for-not-having-a-business-model-because-that-would-hinder-innovation/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Does the Silicon Valley mindset give companies a pass for not having a business model because that would hinder innovation?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_CYoq1GL_truncated"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_707"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>There are two types of companies. There are web 2.0 companies that have lots of eye-balls (content) and there are companies with business models. <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_o8VwQPF_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_CYoq1GL_expanded"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_708">There are two types of companies. There are web 2.0 companies that have lots of eye-balls (content) and there are companies with business models.<br /><br />For instance, tech crunch sold for 40 million.<br /><br />If you have a startup with 6000 subscribers at $30/month and you sell your company for 20x earnings. That is 43 million dollars.<br /><br />If you are ad supported and your eCPM rate is $0.05 cents (like Facebook/4-Chan/Dating sites), then you need 3.6 billion page views per month to hit 40 million valuation at 20x earnings.<br /><br />Alternatively, you can find 60 companies that will pay you $3000 a month for a service (SaS) and have a 40 million valuation at 20x earnings.<br /><br />The idea behind many of these Web 2.0 sites like Slide and Path is not to make money. The idea is that Google and Microsoft have made offers for twitter that value the company at over $60 per active user.<br /><br />The assets of the company are the employees, the platform and user-base; not the revenue stream of the company.<br /><br />It would probably be more effective for Google to pay people $60 per active Buzz user they sign up, than to buy Twitter at $60/user, but they will try to buy Twitter anyways. Yahoo made an offer to Facebook of $260 per user. Will Facebook even be able to realize revenues of $260 per user over the lifetime of the user?<br /><br />Companies will pay a premium to acquire platform control and to buy companies like Path to acquire their user-bases. It is not very clear why they will pay a premium for these users if they have no effective way of monetizing the user-base.<br /><br />Technology companies in general do not pay dividends and often have a cash hoard they need to get rid of. Google has so much money that it is opening up a corporate bond trading desk to invest it. Maybe a 300 million dollar acquisition of a company like Slide at $50 a user increases the market cap of companies like Google, more than the loss of cash decreases the market cap of these companies.<br /><br />Historically, most mergers and acquisitions are futile and are a waste of money. Sometimes they are strategic, but more often they are represent a net loss of value for the acquiring company, but companies keep doing these large value destroying acquisitions f<wbr />or unknown reasons.<br /><br />People will continue to start companies with no business model and no expectations for revenue, as long as these companies continue to be bought.<br /><br />Smaller, early stage acquisitions howeve<wbr />r can create value and are a valuable source of new products and technological innovations. This is one reasons angel portfolios have been doing so well in recent years. These companies usually exit below 30 million and the returns are too small to interest traditional VC funds, but they have been out-performing VC by a wide margin.<br /><br />I think there is still however a whole cottage industry of building up companies with no revenue and flipping them (ex. Twitter). Only a few very high profile investors with strong connections to the potential acquiring companies will be able to generate returns on these companies however.</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_700"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">3</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Which-fast-serial-algorithms-dont-have-efficient-parallel-equivalents/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Which fast serial algorithms don't have efficient parallel equivalents?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_gpA5RmI_truncated"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_709"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>Cycle detection in directed graphs has linear time serial algorithms, however it is provable difficult to parallize. The fastest parallel algorith... <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_g4fQTJq_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_gpA5RmI_expanded"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_710">Cycle detection in directed graphs has linear time serial algorithms, however it is provable difficult to parallize. The fastest parallel algorithms scale as sqrt(n) where n is the number of processors.<br /><br />This is very interesting because cycle detection algorithms are a critical part of 3-SAT solvers and it suggests that they may be difficult to scale out over multiple CPUs without a shared memory architecture. However in practice you are often only interested in small degree cycles and there are efficient algorithms for detecting these.<br /><br />These problems will become a more important performance bottleneck as OWL and semantic web reasoners are deployed on web-scale dataset that require distributed computing.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="footer wrapper"><div class="contents"><div class="footer_nav row"><div class="e_col footer_links w8"><div id="ld_5sX5ZH_690"><ul class="nav_list"><li class="about"><a href="/about">About</a></li><li class="jobs"><a href="/jobs">Jobs</a></li><li class="privacy"><a href="/about/privacy">Privacy</a></li><li class="tos"><a href="/about/tos">Terms</a></li><li class="press"><a href="/press">Press</a></li><li><span class="bullet"> • </span></li><li class="signup"><a href="/login/index">Login</a></li><li class="signup"><a href="/signup/index">Sign Up</a></li><li class="mobile nav_sub_item"><a href="#" id="__w2_sL9WvcP_mobile_site">Mobile Site</a></li></ul></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="above_page_banner hidden" id="__w2_TKydyMV_banner">There are some updates to this page that haven't been applied yet because you've entered some data into a form. 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Ellis</a> and <a class="user" href="/Bob-Scirpo">Bob Scirpo</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2098"></div>Slow is great, but only if you have revenues. If you are an iphone photosharing application; then slow means you can only survive for as long as venture capitalists are willing to pump more money into the company.<br /><br />Even if the company exits at $250 million in ten years, the liquidation preferences for the preferred will be piled so high that there will be nothing left for the employees and management (like Slide).<br /><br />Digg had 15 million a year in revenue at peak, but have never been profitable. Then traffic fell by 50% after the user numbers peaked.<br /><br />A "slow" company can make money for the founders, but only if they achieve a high valuation and sell off common stock to investors (etc. "take money off the table"). Otherwise the only way a company without revenues can generate returns for its investors is if it is flipped.<br /><br />A "slow company" does not make sense if backed by venture capital, because the fund partners need to show returns to their LPs within a 15 year period. If the company does a secondary sale and early investors sell their stake to new investors, then maybe a "slow company" could exist.<br /><br />As an investment, I am not sure that a "slow company" makes any sense.<br /><br />By "slow company", what they mean is "We will build a bunch of crap and something will be successful eventually". The idea of a "slow company" is probably just a way of putting off pressure to show revenues and traction early in the company's history.<br /><br />Many successful companies (Paypal, Slide, etc...) were started by entrepreneurs who had no idea what they were doing and who changed markets and products several times.<br /><br />If the private equity bubble pops again, the "slow companies" without revenues are going to be the ones who are hit the hardest.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_XQZjZ2v_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2099"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_ykKhKPO_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2100"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Will-Dave-Morins-slow-product-movement-be-successful/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_Wj4w2xF_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2216"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2101"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_Qln4EKb_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2276"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2296"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Will-Dave-Morins-slow-product-movement-be-successful/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2016"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_gd41UzX_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2038"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2077"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2238"></span><a class="question_link" href="/If-you-are-an-investor-for-an-early-stage-company-do-you-place-more-value-on-1MM-unique-visitor-or-the-ability-to-convert-at-5-but-only-1000-customers" id="__w2_aas7t66_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2239"></span>If you are an investor for an early stage company, do you place more value on 1MM unique visitor or the ability to convert at 5%+ but only 1000 customers?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2039"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_XVwGvUp_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_XVwGvUp_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2102"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_QExLg6e_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_QExLg6e_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_XVwGvUp_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_gPSYYup_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_gPSYYup_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_gPSYYup_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_XVwGvUp_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2103"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a> and <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2104"></div>If you can monetize, then you can reinvest revenues into customer acquisition through search and display advertising. As soon as you can get your cost per customer acquisition below the LTV of your users, you can scale up through display advertising and search advertising channels.<br /><br />Having a repeatable customer acquisition process is more important than the total number of users. Having a CAC below your LTV shows your investors that you have something to spend money on.<br /><br />If you cannot monetize (ex. Twitter), then having a large number of users is the only alternative.<br /><br />If you can convert users, the next thing you want to do is to try different user acquisition channels and determine what is effective for your business. It is more difficult to acquire users profitably at scale without revenues to reinvest into customer acquisition channels.<br /><br />I do not believe that the answer is one or the other. It depends on your customer acquisition channels and depends on whether your channel is SEO or display advertising. Conversion rates do not matter as much for SEO traffic, which is effectively free; where as conversion rates are critical to optimize if your traffic is display or search advertising driven, because increases conversion rates will lower you CAC.<br /><br />Improving your product will improve churn rates.<br />Decreasing churn rates will increase LTV for subscription service<br />Improving your conversion rates will improve (decrease) your CAC<br /><br />What matter is not "conversion rates" or "number of users", but "number of new users times conversion rate", because that is the rate of user-base growth. You can either improve the conversion rate or you can improve the number of user coming into customer acquisition channel, but the rate of user growth will be the arithmetic product of those two variables.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_XVwGvUp_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2105"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_jkxO8Rj_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2106"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/If-you-are-an-investor-for-an-early-stage-company-do-you-place-more-value-on-1MM-unique-visitor-or-the-ability-to-convert-at-5-but-only-1000-customers/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_n3mpkbj_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2217"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2107"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_NFqiFVw_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2277"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2297"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/If-you-are-an-investor-for-an-early-stage-company-do-you-place-more-value-on-1MM-unique-visitor-or-the-ability-to-convert-at-5-but-only-1000-customers/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2017"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_uPolE0e_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2040"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2078"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2240"></span><a class="question_link" href="/How-do-I-create-a-social-life-after-college-that-rivals-or-is-better-than-the-average-college-social-life" id="__w2_gSVSSxW_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2241"></span>How do I create a social life after college that rivals or is better than the average college social life?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2041"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_jUK2Hew_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_jUK2Hew_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2108"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_hP9NcY7_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_hP9NcY7_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_jUK2Hew_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_AoyYZ2A_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_AoyYZ2A_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_AoyYZ2A_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_jUK2Hew_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2109"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">6</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_YuaTeiU_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Aaron-Chiu">Aaron Chiu</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_YuaTeiU_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_YuaTeiU_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Aaron-Chiu">Aaron Chiu</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Alistair-Atkinson">Alistair Atkinson</a>, <a class="user" href="/Surya-Yalamanchili">Surya Yalamanchili</a> and <a class="user" href="/Kavin-Kankeshwar">Kavin Kankeshwar</a></span></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2110"></div>1> Get money. Work 80 hours a week, sacrifice your life, build a company, sell it for enough money that you can live comfortably.<br /><br />2> Move to LA<br /><br />3> Join the Karma Foundation. <a href="http://thekarmafoundation.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://thekarmafoundation<wbr />.com/</a><br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-87642727d03a0818e648813c31cdb4ee" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-7befcfd5eed92a6fad6da541853020d7" master_w="570" master_h="380" /><br />I spent eight years of my life in the library during and before high school, reading sociology, psychology, cognitive science, physics, computer science books and biographies. Then in college I spent three years in the library studying computational chemistry, machine learning and mathematics (which is why my twitter handle is RKHilbertSpace :).<br /><br />Then after college, I worked "investment banker hours" bootstrapping my startup, until my hair line was receding from the stress. I did not have much of a 'social life' and all my relationships were business related. I did not have time for people that could not help me achieve my goals. By the end I had very few people that I talked to daily and who I enjoyed being around.<br /><br />I have not sold my companies yet, but after I moved to LA from NY I started meeting people who have sold their companies and they are much more relaxed and happier than I am.<br /><br />I told someone I wanted a G5 eventually, but that right now I am only trying to build a 15m/year business and that later in life, when I am more experienced and have more resources that I wanted take on more risk. He told me "As you get older, you will find that other things become more important than owning a jet. You will find that time becomes more valuable. For instance travel has become much more important to me." I responded, "Yes, when I sell my company, I hope that I do not become too lazy to go after the jet." and we both laughed.<br /><br />I am learning that having a good social life means being around people with common goals, aspirations and values.<br /><br />I am realizing that most people have nothing in common with me and that I do not enjoy being around them. Most people wake up, goto work and come home to watch television. They "rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat."<br /><br />Having goals and people around me to aspire to those goals with, has improved my social life more than anything else. Being successful and having other people to enjoy that success with is the most important thing.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_jUK2Hew_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2111"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_EZ0noBA_view_comment_link">5 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2112"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-do-I-create-a-social-life-after-college-that-rivals-or-is-better-than-the-average-college-social-life/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_MGXxUiN_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2218"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2113"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_v0EPwoF_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2278"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2298"><a name="comment218364"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_ZUKcLpL_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Brandon, you rock.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_kjYSdct_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2299"><a name="comment218586"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_pTrNZee_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Sky father! <br /><br />There are simpler ways to hang out with skanky ladies.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Thomas-Hartman">Thomas Hartman</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_SaylMqY_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2300"><a name="comment218639"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_H4gk2rc_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Thomas, I know you love to dance, but expensive dancing classes only solve the lead generation problem.<br /><br />Having lots of money solves the dating problem on the demand size. It is the fastest way to increase your conversion rates and fatten your user acquisition funnel.<br /><br />I have A/B tested this one.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_mG3DkCN_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2301"><a name="comment218655"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_qY45QVz_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">I'll see you at lindy groove yet, you disturbing person.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Thomas-Hartman">Thomas Hartman</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_IrlT8lj_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2302"><a name="comment218682"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_RodroSP_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text"><a href="http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=%22now+you+have+two+problems%22&aq=f&aqi=g-v2g-o1&aql=f&oq=&pbx=1&fp=d87fcfdb2e6b7745" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.google.com/#sc<wbr />lient=p...</a></p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Thomas-Hartman">Thomas Hartman</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_hLPiyWg_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2303"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/How-do-I-create-a-social-life-after-college-that-rivals-or-is-better-than-the-average-college-social-life/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 5 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2018"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_IOgQuST_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2042"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2079"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2242"></span><a class="question_link" href="/How-long-before-we-see-a-social-game-engine-written-entirely-in-html-5-javascript" id="__w2_BU2E9ig_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2243"></span>How long before we see a social game engine written entirely in html 5 & javascript?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2043"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_TLkBMXj_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_TLkBMXj_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2114"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_EASV2M6_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_EASV2M6_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_TLkBMXj_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_gyH7Ddi_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_gyH7Ddi_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_gyH7Ddi_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_TLkBMXj_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2115"></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2116"></div>Like yesterday. These HTML5 game engine companies are being flipped in M&A transactions left and right.<br /><br />E3 2010 Aves Engine Prototype "Suburban World" - all HTML, CSS and JavaScript<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmtQOB_KFzU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.youtube.com/wa<wbr />tch?v=S...</a><br /><br />This company was Dextrose and was recently acquired by Zynga.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_TLkBMXj_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2117"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_tEFRqCu_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2118"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-long-before-we-see-a-social-game-engine-written-entirely-in-html-5-javascript/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_S9QYHy2_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2219"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2119"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_mPystC7_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2279"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2304"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/How-long-before-we-see-a-social-game-engine-written-entirely-in-html-5-javascript/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2019"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_kscj01A_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2044"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2080"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2244"></span><a class="question_link" href="/What-do-failed-startups-tell-their-investors" id="__w2_oIOD0xb_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2245"></span>What do failed startups tell their investors?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2045"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_Lm06SlC_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_Lm06SlC_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2120"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_eYd33AY_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_eYd33AY_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_Lm06SlC_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_DabNPcs_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_DabNPcs_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_DabNPcs_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_Lm06SlC_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2121"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by Anon User and <a class="user" href="/Michiel-van-Vlaardingen">Michiel van Vlaardingen</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2122"></div>Investors are used to it.<br /><br />I have met angels who have made 15 investments and only 5 of them are still active. Only one of those 5 has any chance of a 30x exit. Often, the exit of one company in the angel's portfolio will offset the losses from all the other investments in their portfolio!<br /><br />Even if some of the companies succeed, they may not generate returns for the investor unless the company exits. Venture capitalists can replace the management team and force and exit. However, angels are vulnerable to funding 'life style businesses' that generate wealth for the management team, but which do not produce returns for the investors within a finite amount of time. Angels and other minority shareholders are also not in a position to force the company to exit.<br /><br />You do not need to make excuses to investors for company failure. I know three separate entrepreneurs that founded or worked at a WAP mobile website startup during the .com bubble. Their companies all died, because the market did not develop for another eight year. They were "too early". There was nothing they could have done.<br /><br />Group buying failed as an online business model several times before Groupon succeeded. Making seed stage private equity investments is the process of choosing the wrong term, wrong market and wrong product 80% of the time. <br /><br />Even venture capitalists, who have more stringent investment criteria, have 70% of their portfolio companies fail, in the sense of the companies failing to return more than 1x the capital invested. Approximately 30% of VC Series A investments are wash sales. Another 40% return 1x and nothing is left over for the common shareholders after liquidation preferences and participation.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_Lm06SlC_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2123"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_PGa7xI7_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2124"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/What-do-failed-startups-tell-their-investors/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_u4JHpeO_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2220"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2125"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_CTSBiMb_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2280"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2305"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/What-do-failed-startups-tell-their-investors/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2020"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_ecsSoL3_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2046"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2081"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2246"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Why-did-Numenta-fail-to-capitalize-on-the-excitement-generated-by-On-Intelligence" id="__w2_WIZCZkc_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2247"></span>Why did Numenta fail to capitalize on the excitement generated by "On Intelligence"?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2047"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_HfxK13U_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_HfxK13U_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2126"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_NKHmbD7_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_NKHmbD7_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_HfxK13U_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_jW4zTSL_link"><span class="rep">The Singularity is Near.</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_jW4zTSL_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_jW4zTSL_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_HfxK13U_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2127"></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2128"></div>The book was useless.<br /><br />I read it, but there was no mathematics at all in it. There was no API documentation in the appendix. It did not tell me how to monetize the software API.<br /><br />The book was interesting to read, but gave me the impression that the algorithms do not actually exist in a concrete form. In terms of mathematics, I am still not sure what "Hierarchical Temporal Memory" is and how to implement it.<br /><br />I once read a 2 page neuroscience paper by Granger and at the end could implement his algorithm for sparse decompositions for sensory processing, in Matlab. After <i>On Intelligence</i>, I was no closer to being able to implement anything useful.<br /><br />I did take away somethings from the book. Mainly that the human neocortex is composed of one structural component, repeated several million times. I also learned about the importance of reciprocal feedback in machine learning systems (as opposed to strict forward feedback). After reading the book, I did not understand how the neocortical columns did sequence learning or learned features from the input data.<br /><br />I studied the EPAM and ACT-R cognitive architectures in college and I found Numenta's "bottoms up" very interested. However, I feel that Numenta's machine learning algorithms and API will only become useful when integrated with a specific cognitive architecture.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_HfxK13U_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2129"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_pocbWAH_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2130"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Why-did-Numenta-fail-to-capitalize-on-the-excitement-generated-by-On-Intelligence/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_NMmKvPL_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2221"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2131"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_ConbRTY_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2281"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2306"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Why-did-Numenta-fail-to-capitalize-on-the-excitement-generated-by-On-Intelligence/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View 1 Comment</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2021"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_KKhiMmu_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2048"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2082"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2248"></span><a class="question_link" href="/What-are-the-reasons-behind-the-banning-of-the-term-civil-society-in-Chinese-media" id="__w2_jvstOeq_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2249"></span>What are the reasons behind the banning of the term civil society in Chinese media?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2049"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_ULqywVj_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_ULqywVj_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2132"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_Bl5sKLj_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_Bl5sKLj_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_ULqywVj_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_yXmm4fm_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_yXmm4fm_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_yXmm4fm_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_ULqywVj_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2133"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a> and <a class="user" href="/Craig-Montuori">Craig Montuori</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2134"></div><blockquote>The campaign by China's netizens against the government’s ambitious attempt to control and monitor internet usage is a signal of their emerging political power, says Li Datong.<br /></blockquote><br />China's civil society: breaching the Green Dam <a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/china-s-civil-society-breaching-the-green-dam" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.opendemocr<wbr />acy.net/art...</a><br /><br />Chinese journalists also are no allowed to use the notion of "a tax payer" as in someone who contributes to the government and there receives entitlements.<br /><br /><blockquote>Social scientists believe that a country's progression toward a more open, pluralistic and competitive political system is dependent on whether the country allows a civil society to emerge.<br /></blockquote><br />The notion of a 'civil society', is the US model of a liberal democracy, where government is controlled by special interest groups and NGOs, instead of by governmental organizations. Popular support for a 'civil society' would undermine the legitimacy of China's existing governance structures.<br /><br />The notion of "civil society" was gaining popular support among academics and among internet users.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.brookings.edu/papers/2003/08china_ye.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.brookings.edu/<wbr />papers/...</a><div class="action_bar" id="__w2_ULqywVj_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2135"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_luNDITO_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2136"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/What-are-the-reasons-behind-the-banning-of-the-term-civil-society-in-Chinese-media/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_VpSMzII_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2222"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2137"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_y75YApd_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2282"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2307"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/What-are-the-reasons-behind-the-banning-of-the-term-civil-society-in-Chinese-media/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2022"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_ZWGM3Vc_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2050"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2083"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2250"></span><a class="question_link" href="/What-is-the-next-evolution-of-group-buying" id="__w2_QoBscj6_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2251"></span>What is the next evolution of group buying?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2051"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_hI8sAKy_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_hI8sAKy_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2138"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_nS2FICG_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_nS2FICG_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_hI8sAKy_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_bjfHM2m_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_bjfHM2m_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_bjfHM2m_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_hI8sAKy_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2139"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">1</strong> vote</span> by <a class="user" href="/Leon-Kitain">Leon Kitain</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2140"></div><b>The future of group buying is mobile.</b> The future of group buying is badges and location based services<br /><br />Crowds of people will flash mob department stores for deals. People will die in the stampede for lower prices. Group buying + location based services <b>is going to dramatically increase the risk of being trampled to death in a Walmart Stampede.</b><br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-8102e217f9f6256ad6c01965ac0e66d3" /><br />Group buying + mobile applications will give retailers the ability to create instant flash mobs for product deals.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-ad2a4221c72ee6548db62a7caa810d67" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-1977e3e5dc78dd65a2ddba46a65ac378" master_w="500" master_h="333" /><br />People will die in the stampede to get the "I was in line first" badges.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-98ba2cfe22f92bea5bd058cc9d4df4a8" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-3df3c9c87f3c370f7526ad5e22348bb0" master_w="634" master_h="380" /><br />People will wait in line for badges. People will wait overnight for badges associated with being to first people to make a product purchase. Not only will you have a badge for waiting outside for two days in the rain to see the opening of the next Starwars movie, but you will get a free popcorn and carry the badge with you for the rest of your life.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-232439b296182fe5c6ac8c593f1ffd80" /><br />Badges will make waiting in line for 2 days for your iPhone, worth it! Group buying and badges are a recipe for "buying hysteria".<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_hI8sAKy_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2141"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_SlJknGV_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2142"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/What-is-the-next-evolution-of-group-buying/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_mX00AJc_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2223"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2143"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_MHzoMrJ_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2283"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2308"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/What-is-the-next-evolution-of-group-buying/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View 1 Comment</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2023"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_ZeCZxz0_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2052"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2084"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2252"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Yahoo/What-were-the-reasons-for-the-recent-Yahoo-layoffs-Which-product-teams-were-cut-down-and-why" id="__w2_SiGyjbs_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2253"></span>What were the reasons for the recent Yahoo layoffs? Which product teams were cut down and why?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2053"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_KBvAv4p_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_KBvAv4p_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2144"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_PPhQFWF_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_PPhQFWF_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_KBvAv4p_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_bOo98z2_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_bOo98z2_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_bOo98z2_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_KBvAv4p_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2145"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">1</strong> vote</span> by <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2146"></div>"Earnings pressure".<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_KBvAv4p_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2147"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_r0NrLNx_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2148"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Yahoo/What-were-the-reasons-for-the-recent-Yahoo-layoffs-Which-product-teams-were-cut-down-and-why/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_pSCrHO4_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2224"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2149"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_tKQdOGz_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2284"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2309"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Yahoo/What-were-the-reasons-for-the-recent-Yahoo-layoffs-Which-product-teams-were-cut-down-and-why/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2024"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_ihZ3nRW_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2054"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2085"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2254"></span><a class="question_link" href="/What-web-languages-are-best-suited-for-mass-scaling-an-application" id="__w2_BJPcr79_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2255"></span>What web languages are best suited for mass scaling an application?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2055"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_dCz0I5Y_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_dCz0I5Y_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2150"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_XaubDnB_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_XaubDnB_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_dCz0I5Y_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_l9praMk_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_l9praMk_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_l9praMk_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_dCz0I5Y_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2151"></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2152"></div>No programming languages scale.<br /><br />Unless you are using key-value stores AND / OR application level horizontal partitioning of your database, then it wont scale.<br /><br />In my experience, Django scales to 30x the number of requests per second out of the box as PHP MVC frameworks. However, this is only a constant factor difference in performance.<br /><br />Languages do not "scale", architectures scale; although there is a constant difference in performance for each web development language.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_dCz0I5Y_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2153"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_aDkL3Ak_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2154"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/What-web-languages-are-best-suited-for-mass-scaling-an-application/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_WRGTMBS_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2225"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2155"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_kMnuTxO_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2285"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2310"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/What-web-languages-are-best-suited-for-mass-scaling-an-application/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2025"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_vXywAwf_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2056"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2086"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2256"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Do-I-go-with-first-positive-VC-or-give-it-more-time" id="__w2_JUOWIb9_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2257"></span>Do I go with first positive VC or give it more time?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2057"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_LFEBG0N_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_LFEBG0N_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2156"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_S7TBN2N_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_S7TBN2N_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_LFEBG0N_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_lmICkn5_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_lmICkn5_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_lmICkn5_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_LFEBG0N_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2157"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">1</strong> vote</span> by <a class="user" href="/Paweł-Nowak">Paweł Nowak</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2158"></div>Talk to a few people, find someone you like. Do some reference checks on the investors. Call up the CEOs of his failed portfolio companies. Call up the CEOs of his successful portfolio companies.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_LFEBG0N_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2159"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_eE1g3KE_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2160"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Do-I-go-with-first-positive-VC-or-give-it-more-time/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_uruWUmf_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2226"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2161"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_LsFbx8R_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2286"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2311"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Do-I-go-with-first-positive-VC-or-give-it-more-time/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View 1 Comment</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2026"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_S8SfmLz_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2058"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2087"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2258"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Startup-Ideas/How-can-someone-get-help-to-develop-ideas-for-an-online-business-without-having-the-ideas-stolen" id="__w2_icUSUDW_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2259"></span>How can someone get help to develop ideas for an online business without having the ideas stolen?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2059"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_u00j133_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_u00j133_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2162"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_PEKFYbT_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_PEKFYbT_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_u00j133_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_qc7zzJ3_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_qc7zzJ3_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_qc7zzJ3_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_u00j133_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2163"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">11</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_tpcpAYM_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Tariq-Alasiri">Tariq Alasiri</a>, <a class="user" href="/Arnav-Guleria">Arnav Guleria</a>, <a class="user" href="/Pawel-Janiak">Pawel Janiak</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_tpcpAYM_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_tpcpAYM_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Tariq-Alasiri">Tariq Alasiri</a>, <a class="user" href="/Arnav-Guleria">Arnav Guleria</a>, <a class="user" href="/Pawel-Janiak">Pawel Janiak</a>, <a class="user" href="/Leon-Kitain">Leon Kitain</a>, <a class="user" href="/Jeffrey-Ross">Jeffrey Ross</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/Joseph-Reisinger">Joseph Reisinger</a>, <a class="user" href="/Andrew-McCluskey">Andrew McCluskey</a>, <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a> and <a class="user" href="/Darren-Lehane">Darren Lehane</a></span></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2164"></div>I have a person a month email me a question like this. I just walked by a homeless man with a sign that read: "Looking for technical co-founder".<br /><br /><b>So You Want to Start a Web Startup: </b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gZ4vk_Tw4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.youtu<wbr />be.com/watch?v=u...</a><br /><b><br /></b>"I have a brilliant idea and I want you to implement it for free! However, I cannot tell you the idea, because I am afraid that you will steal it."<br /><br /> <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong-1">Yishan Wong</a></span> tells me I should tell them "Kid, don't delude yourself, you'd be lucky to be Eduardo Saverin."<br /><br />The following conversation is real!<br /><br /><b>Person: </b>"you are asking lots of questions and we have no NDA"<br /><br /><b>Me:</b> Are you afraid that I am going to clone your 25,000 lines of LISP before New Years, raise 3 million at a 15 million valuation, hire 30 engineers and bury you?<br /><br />I like to remind people, that if their idea is so great and I decide to clone it, the NDA wont protect them against the "ravenous free market forces" that result when I launch a competitor. I like to scare some sense into these people by bragging about my "army" of "rockstar" Python, Lisp, Ruby and Haskell engineers.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-9acf4dc347d503197f5a10af764484c1" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-ba5e4d3696fb347eb3b1ae3e0d81c378" master_w="514" master_h="315" /><br /><b>Non-technical Person:</b> "Do you have rock star developers?"<br /><br /><b>Me: </b>"You can tell rock star developers apart from mere 25x engineers because rock stars have groupies. Do your rails developers have groupies?" <br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-16558f9d1b9a90a1d8fcff74eff2fa69" /><br />The other favorite thing someone has said to me is,<br /><br />"Build my company and my product and I will give you 15% of the equity!"<br /><br />I always tell these people, "<b>God helps those who help themselves</b>", which means "<b>Start learning PHP</b>".<br /><br />Ideas are worthless -- execution is everything.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_u00j133_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2165"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_CcmYcmQ_view_comment_link">3 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2166"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Startup-Ideas/How-can-someone-get-help-to-develop-ideas-for-an-online-business-without-having-the-ideas-stolen/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_ecYKp3D_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2227"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2167"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_SbGUsm2_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2287"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2312"><a name="comment190879"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_UAT10TH_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Brendon, this killed me:<br /><br />I just walked by a homeless man with a sign that read: "Looking for technical co-founder".</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Pawel-Janiak">Pawel Janiak</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_nK0Wn2F_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2313"><a name="comment191522"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_Hu0Idyh_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Lol. I didn't know there were enough Haskell engineers to make an army. Let alone a ravenous army. Let alone a ravenous, rockstar army.<br /><br />And the quad guitar is awesome,. It's also a great example of a totally badass idea that can be stolen when you don't have an NDA. :p</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_BSjudXX_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2314"><a name="comment192148"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_ditP6kS_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Haskell programmers are "an army of one".</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_kpCLlSB_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2315"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" 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class="voter_count">4</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Alex-Kosorukoff">Alex Kosorukoff</a>, <a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a>, <a class="user" href="/Martin-Wawrusch">Martin Wawrusch</a> and <a class="user" href="/Johnnie-Manzari">Johnnie Manzari</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2170"></div>If you do not understand the liquidation preferences and capital structure it is impossible to determine the actual value of the common stock.<br /><br />When making a decision about a job offer, you should be judging the company in the same way as an investor.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_AlKluQN_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2171"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_eaFwKxF_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2172"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Is-it-common-to-ask-a-hiring-company-CEO-to-explain-the-capital-structure-of-their-company/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span 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id="ld_7iQPcN_2263"><span class="best_source_icon" id="__w2_vRzOq3k_icon"></span></span>How big a factor is luck in startup success?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2063"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_lo8M2wa_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_lo8M2wa_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2174"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_pScu5wB_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_pScu5wB_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_lo8M2wa_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_zKKkHGs_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_zKKkHGs_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_zKKkHGs_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_lo8M2wa_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2175"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">4</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Matthew-Carroll">Matthew Carroll</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ed-Borasky">Ed Borasky</a> and <a class="user" href="/Erbil-Karaman">Erbil Karaman</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2176"></div><ul><li>Do you have a product or service?</li><li>Will customers pay for your product or service?</li><li>Is the market large enough?</li></ul><br />Then you are successful. There is nothing 'lucky" about building a product or service people will pay for.<br /><br />For a web application, the question are<br /><br /><ul><li>Do you have a viable way of obtaining users?(SEO, search advertising, display advertising, link exchange)</li><li>Do users use your product?</li><li>Can you monetize the users?</li><li>If you cannot monetize the users can you grow the company and flip it?</li></ul><br />You could build a very successful product, but unless you know or bring in people with the correct social connections, it is very unlikely the biz dev people at Google, AOL or Yahoo are going to buy your company or even know you exist.<br /><br />Social connections allow you to bring in the people you need, to raise capital and to entice prospective acquiring companies. Personal relationships matter much more than luck.<br /><br />There is no "luck" or "risk" in entrepreneurship, there is only uncertainty and reducing uncertainty at each step of the way is a critical factor in entrepreneurial success. You can reduce uncertainty by getting the product out ASAP and testing the market, instead of spending years on the products, get feedback and determine viability early on.<br /><br />However, some people are "lucky" in the sense that they succeed without knowing what they are doing. They do not have a systematic and repeatable process for entrepreneurship and product develop, but they were "lucky" enough to enter a large market at the right time (ex. Yahoo, which started as a link directory). Their initial success then attracted the resources they needed to build a successful business at scale.<br /><br />Luck consists of having the resources you need to be successful or being able to acquire those resources through your social network.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_lo8M2wa_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2177"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_MjhVOUc_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2178"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/How-big-a-factor-is-luck-in-startup-success/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_CRfO2fL_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2229"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2179"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_OE7W7Uh_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2289"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2317"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/How-big-a-factor-is-luck-in-startup-success/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 0 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2029"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_zgdXP7g_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2064"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2090"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2264"></span><a class="question_link" href="/In-a-new-startup-how-do-you-convince-a-non-founding-developer-that-1-or-2-is-a-good-deal" id="__w2_Z1kNDEK_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2265"></span>In a new startup, how do you convince a non-founding developer that 1% or 2% is a good deal?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2065"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_ZG3RRud_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_ZG3RRud_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2180"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_SAG3ZbV_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_SAG3ZbV_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_ZG3RRud_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_qZTCYxz_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_qZTCYxz_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_qZTCYxz_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_ZG3RRud_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2181"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">6</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_XHbtSzZ_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Niclas-Darville">Niclas Darville</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Srdjan-Pejic">Srdjan Pejic</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_XHbtSzZ_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_XHbtSzZ_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Niclas-Darville">Niclas Darville</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Srdjan-Pejic">Srdjan Pejic</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Jeff-McNeill">Jeff McNeill</a> and <a class="user" href="/Erbil-Karaman">Erbil Karaman</a></span></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2182"></div>You have to find gullible or stupid people. Tell them that you company will exit at 100 million in two years. Hope that they do not understand liquidation preferences.<br /><br />The best case scenario for employee stock options issued at a $0 strike price (this is pre-series A still ?), there is no liquidation preference and that they stay on for 4 years and company is flipped for 100 million. They get 500k after taxes (ignoring dilution!).<br /><br />Assume the company is flipped after 8 months for 70 million. The employee probably gets nothing because they are not past their vesting cliff; depending on how the acquisition is structured. Ooops!<br /><br />Most exits will be below 30 million USD and 1% of your company is probably worthless. About 40% of Series A companies will return 1x and return nothing to the employees after liquidation preferences. Another 30% of Series A companies will return 1-3x.<br /><br />A decade ago, stock options could have artificially low strike prices, but with 409A requirements for employee stock options, equity is almost worthless except for founders, VCs and executives.<br /><br />From a financial perspective, it is not rational for employees to join a post Series A company, for anything except a salary. In general, it is difficult to convince anyone who understands venture capital that the 1% is worth anything financially.<br /><br />You have to sell your company to employees on non-financial criteria. The people at your company and your relationship with the employee are a more important factor in recruiting than the financial compensation.<br /><br />When I am going after a key hire, I emphasize<br /><ul><li>Meeting and working with great people</li><li>Mentorship and learning the entrepreneurial process</li><li>Help starting their company when they leave</li><li>Building social relationships</li></ul><br />If you need a key hire, but can only give up 2% of the equity, you have to compensate them in other ways. If a hire is financially ambitious, 2% + salary is not satisfying or motivating unless you are aiming for a billion dollar exit. <br /><br />If they want to start their own company some day, you should offer to introduce them to investors, other entrepreneurs or to mentor them.<br /><br />The most important thing for yourself and your own success, is to the develop personal loyalty of competent people whose ambitions are aligned with yours.<br /><br />You will need to draw in talented people in order for your current company to succeed and these people become assets when you start your next company. Being about able to bring in 3-4 competent developers, project managers or a designer is a critical factor for execution in the seed stage.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_ZG3RRud_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2183"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_eXEDxiG_view_comment_link">3 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2184"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/In-a-new-startup-how-do-you-convince-a-non-founding-developer-that-1-or-2-is-a-good-deal/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_n8rJH2I_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2230"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2185"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_ZwFDR2t_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2290"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2318"><a name="comment182910"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_Du8XgXY_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Histrionics aside, 1-2% of a post series-A company is a seriously significant amount of equity. Constructing sceneries where it has no value is disingenuous. <br /><br />A typical options pool is 15-20%. We're talking about someone turning their nose up at 1/10th of all employee options for that tranche. If you show up after series A when a lot of risk has been taken away, you should have no expectation to be given the equity that people who took a greater leap of faith got.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Sameer-Al-Sakran">Sameer Al-Sakran</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_yzZeKbS_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2319"><a name="comment183657"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_aauHZzr_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">After IRS 409A, employees can no longer get stock at below market, so there is little financial upside for them.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_YAfsieW_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2320"><a name="comment183669"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_eIrL7Ei_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Unless you are joining a company on the path to +1b market cap, you should take salary or start your own company OR join a pre-series A startup.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_eqGmVmn_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2321"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/In-a-new-startup-how-do-you-convince-a-non-founding-developer-that-1-or-2-is-a-good-deal/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 3 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2030"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_opiPAKH_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2066"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2091"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2266"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Dave-McClure-1/Why-does-Dave-McClure-have-so-many-followers" id="__w2_yEk8VAS_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2267"></span>Why does Dave McClure have so many followers?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2067"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_P6JL6H0_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_P6JL6H0_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2186"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_rLjP2ZV_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_rLjP2ZV_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_P6JL6H0_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_vNLdMZU_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_vNLdMZU_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_vNLdMZU_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_P6JL6H0_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2187"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">1</strong> vote</span> by <a class="user" href="/Dave-McClure">Dave McClure</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2188"></div>McClure has 42,293 twitter followers and when any of them joins Quora, they automatically follow McClure if they link their Twitter account.<br /><br />This mean that approximately 3.5% of McClure's Twitter followers are now on Quora. The percentage of McClure's followers on is Quora higher than average, because Quora has greater adoption in the SF/SV area.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_P6JL6H0_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2189"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_BDXob2N_view_comment_link">1 Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2190"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Dave-McClure-1/Why-does-Dave-McClure-have-so-many-followers/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_LjMpYPG_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2231"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2191"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_nCW57T4_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2291"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2322"><a name="comment181821"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_YQcqJbF_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">aha.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Dave-McClure">Dave McClure</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_SLnNN9E_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2323"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Dave-McClure-1/Why-does-Dave-McClure-have-so-many-followers/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View 1 Comment</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2031"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_P9pE782_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2068"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2092"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2268"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Who-is-going-to-the-2011-Quora-Bay-Area-Active-User-Party" id="__w2_xjXQBBp_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2269"></span>Who is going to the 2011 Quora Bay Area Active User Party?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2069"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_sLAUuRs_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_sLAUuRs_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2192"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_fcNnsJ9_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_fcNnsJ9_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_sLAUuRs_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_k5a1Spb_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_k5a1Spb_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_k5a1Spb_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_sLAUuRs_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2193"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">13</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_jNg0p5J_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Erik-Fair">Erik Fair</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/Gene-Linetsky">Gene Linetsky</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_jNg0p5J_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_jNg0p5J_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Erik-Fair">Erik Fair</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/Gene-Linetsky">Gene Linetsky</a>, <a class="user" href="/Andrew-Brown-2">Andrew Brown</a>, <a class="user" href="/Peter-Clark">Peter Clark</a>, <a class="user" href="/Eunji-Choi">Eunji Choi</a>, <a class="user" href="/June-Lin">June Lin</a>, <a class="user" href="/Roderick-Chow">Roderick Chow</a>, <a class="user" href="/Antone-Johnson">Antone Johnson</a>, <a class="user" href="/Justin-Liu">Justin Liu</a>, <a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ohad-Samet">Ohad Samet</a> and <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a></span></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2194"></div>I am going.<br /><br />I need a ride from SFO to the hotel, a few blocks from the party.<br /><br />Update:<br /><br />I just walked to the community party venue and it is at a pub. Ug.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_sLAUuRs_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2195"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_SJpLpA2_view_comment_link">22 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2196"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Who-is-going-to-the-2011-Quora-Bay-Area-Active-User-Party/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_LT9Y9Bt_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2232"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2197"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_M9WLzjt_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2292"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2324"><a name="comment177943"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_NosmmgT_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Doesn't answer the question</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Gene-Linetsky">Gene Linetsky</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_iPUjggs_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2325"><a name="comment177969"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_pSOJmuX_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">This answer would be more helpful if it responded directly to the question.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Christopher-Lin">Christopher Lin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_TArB7Hu_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2326"><a name="comment178575"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_stBwUyv_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Stop being politically correct and just upvote my answers!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_KwLnOge_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2327"><a name="comment178684"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_KqnM2pU_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">This response appears to be primarily self-promotional.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Xianhang-Zhang">Xianhang Zhang</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_OzRkdXP_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2328"><a name="comment179375"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_IpotPQT_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text"><span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Brandon-Smietana-1">Brandon Smietana</a></span>'s answer is relevant, if not exhaustive ...</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Erik-Fair">Erik Fair</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_aO0SJ9e_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2329"><a name="comment183570"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_xDUiZyb_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Quora is English-only for now. <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Why-are-answers-on-Quora-marked-as-Not-Helpful">Learn more.</a></span></p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Kevin-Moore-1">Kevin Moore</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_piJV5I0_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2330"><a name="comment185080"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_pwxU60i_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">I feel alienated.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_TzpKBd0_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2331"><a name="comment185705"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_inu0s7n_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Brandon, they're just fucking with you.<br /><br />I will be there too. See you there, buddy!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_B7GgjZg_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2332"><a name="comment185708"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_FS3AV0F_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Oh and I'm bringing Jane because for some reason they didn't send her an invite.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_ZQYX1ff_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2333"><a name="comment185732"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_jyShyAw_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">P.S. -- Four upvotes and yet you're a mere single down vote from being collapsed all together.<br /><br />The tribe has spoken!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_PmkCwkm_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2334"><a name="comment187247"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_VxtTqbX_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">I lost the popularity contest ;)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_JP8NVns_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2335"><a name="comment187435"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_gxNLyR8_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Actually, on Quora this is considered winning.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_wQhHInk_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2336"><a name="comment187456"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_Q3gqkuw_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Yeah, haters are the equivalent of an entourage.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_H5h8SWw_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2337"><a name="comment187457"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_qXDdy1Q_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">They are here. :)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Adam-Rifkin">Adam Rifkin</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_N1oKBmk_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2338"><a name="comment190933"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_LwHlmlF_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">I have the most up-votes and my answer is the least ranked answer that is not collapsed anymore :)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_sxZK7bh_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2339"><a name="comment200737"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_QOgvPEe_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Looking forward to meeting you guys and arguing with you in person for a change!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_U3wWAF2_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2340"><a name="comment200924"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_QQtHNxt_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">I'm getting the sense there's good material for a drinking game here. Something involving tequila shots and upvotes/downvotes.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Antone-Johnson">Antone Johnson</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_xDTr2Rr_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2341"><a name="comment200992"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_Zxz4IuH_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">I have to drive _back_ to Santa Cruz after the party, and that sounds deadly</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_t3NpY21_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2342"><a name="comment202631"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_v8Ybj9B_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">If you have started arguing me, you have already lost :)</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_fhy4oM6_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2343"><a name="comment207162"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_NFvfUfi_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Brandon, I may regret this, but I can probably pick you up at SFO.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Michael-Wolfe">Michael Wolfe</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_Ma6k9Kn_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2344"><a name="comment207452"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_G1zcyKJ_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Awesome. That would be great. I will PM you our travel itinerary when we finalize plans for the flight.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_aHVjdSV_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2345"><a name="comment230828"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_SwH4IcF_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text"><span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Brandon-Smietana-1">Brandon Smietana</a></span> is now at Garden Court hotel -- will enjoy Port before the fireplace at 7pm -- but will meet for early dining</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Lee-Weinberg">Lee Weinberg</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_QuHPQT0_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2346"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Who-is-going-to-the-2011-Quora-Bay-Area-Active-User-Party/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 22 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2032"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_LKQkOAY_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2070"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2093"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2270"></span><a class="question_link" href="/Does-Symbolic-Analytics-have-a-website-or-web-presence" id="__w2_JTNcGsJ_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2271"></span>Does Symbolic Analytics have a website or web presence?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2071"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_jyPEgDV_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_jyPEgDV_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2198"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_V7Q1Wlf_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_V7Q1Wlf_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_jyPEgDV_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_wEgqbKg_link"><span class="rep">Founder of Symbolic Analytics</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_wEgqbKg_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_wEgqbKg_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_jyPEgDV_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2199"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">9</strong> votes</span> by <span id="__w2_vbdaJy3_view_all"><a class="user" href="/Charles-Krohn">Charles Krohn</a>, <a class="user" href="/John-Clover">John Clover</a>, <a class="user" href="/Prasanna-Narayanan">Prasanna Narayanan</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_vbdaJy3_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_vbdaJy3_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Charles-Krohn">Charles Krohn</a>, <a class="user" href="/John-Clover">John Clover</a>, <a class="user" href="/Prasanna-Narayanan">Prasanna Narayanan</a>, <a class="user" href="/Prakash-Swaminathan">Prakash Swaminathan</a>, <a class="user" href="/Leon-Kitain">Leon Kitain</a>, <a class="user" href="/Arnav-Guleria">Arnav Guleria</a>, <a class="user" href="/J.C.-Hewitt">J.C. Hewitt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Cameron-A.-Ellis">Cameron A. Ellis</a> and <a class="user" href="/Arto-Bendiken">Arto Bendiken</a></span></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2200"></div>No. Having a website is not very stealth.<br /><br />Symbolic Analytics is a semantic web startup, so the investors expect our website to be "very Web 3.0". <br /><br /><blockquote>People keep asking what Web 3.0 is. I think maybe when you've got an overlay of scalable vector graphics - everything rippling and folding and looking misty — on Web 2.0 and access to a semantic Web...</blockquote><blockquote><br /></blockquote>– Tim Berners-Lee<br /><br />When the website goes public, it will be <i>very</i> cyberpunk; like the interface from Uplink, but with more etched circuit board logos. <br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-49b65518dbd0a38e2b2e1fd508635226" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-e8b52c3b46e330f2f7c5b373097e9a88" master_w="1024" master_h="768" /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-c496d3f31e6ffd7837fdd9a6990299c5" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-97038ad22f492ef29d962e3d0a6efbbe" master_w="640" master_h="480" /><br />The website is going to be so sexy that we could raise more bubble money than Path, without even needing a product or employees ("its web 3.0" and "its in the cloud" and "its social"). We are still trying to decide on the Symbolic Analytics website sound track.<br /><br />To "set the mood" for our investors, I need a picture of <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong-1">Yishan Wong</a></span> throwing IPO money into the air, which is falling towards the investors at Yishan Wong's feet.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-0160c1162ce36aa1ce94469105143f2a" /><br />However, I am still trying to poach <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong-1">Yishan Wong</a></span> from his rumor mill startup.<br /><br /><b>Note:</b><br /><br />I am joking about "Web 3.0".<br /><br />Symbolic Analytics started as a computational chemistry startup. We were using machine learning and computational chemistry techniques to discovery highly selective metal ion binding ligands. However the company got out of control and started building mobile web applications and culminated with the creation of a massively multiplayer game based upon Minecraft and Nethack.<br /><br />We were very successful in mobile web applications but discovered that we would need 1.3 billion page views per day, to generate 10 million dollars/year on display advertising at 0.02 USD eCPM (Digg has 15 million a year in revenue, but has never been profitable!). So we pivoted into a market with a higher DARPA.<br /><br />I am now CTOing a location based services company in LA.<br /><br />The computational chemistry algorithms are still being worked on and I want to return to that area in the future.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_jyPEgDV_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2201"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_VJeZDEn_view_comment_link">Add Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2202"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Does-Symbolic-Analytics-have-a-website-or-web-presence/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_a5TJ4G5_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2233"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2203"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_NlrYent_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2293"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2347"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" 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href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/Rajeev-Sharma">Rajeev Sharma</a>, <a class="user" href="/Sid-Burgess">Sid Burgess</a>, </span> <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_YF1RToQ_view_all_link">(more)</a><span class="hidden" id="__w2_YF1RToQ_all_phrases"><a class="user" href="/Ian-Peters-Campbell">Ian Peters-Campbell</a>, <a class="user" href="/Rajeev-Sharma">Rajeev Sharma</a>, <a class="user" href="/Sid-Burgess">Sid Burgess</a>, <a class="user" href="/Richard-Ludlow">Richard Ludlow</a>, <a class="user" href="/Darryl-Collins">Darryl Collins</a>, <a class="user" href="/Marin-Dimitrov">Marin Dimitrov</a>, <a class="user" href="/Rick-Dudley">Rick Dudley</a>, <a class="user" href="/Anna-Santeramo">Anna Santeramo</a>, <a class="user" href="/Gavan-Woolery">Gavan Woolery</a>, <a class="user" href="/Joseph-Reisinger">Joseph Reisinger</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Pano-Anthos">Pano Anthos</a>, <a class="user" href="/Paul-Dufour">Paul Dufour</a>, <a class="user" href="/Joseph-Turian">Joseph Turian</a>, <a class="user" href="/Lukasz-Wrobel">Lukasz Wrobel</a>, <a class="user" href="/Johnson-Hsieh">Johnson Hsieh</a>, <a class="user" href="/Rishi-Sanghvi">Rishi Sanghvi</a>, <a class="user" href="/Rob-La-Gesse">Rob La Gesse</a>, <a class="user" href="/Sam-Huleatt">Sam Huleatt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Casey-Allen">Casey Allen</a>, <a class="user" href="/Juan-Bernabó">Juan Bernabó</a>, <a class="user" href="/Justin-Meltzer">Justin Meltzer</a>, <a class="user" href="/Will-Strafach">Will Strafach</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ryan-Lackey">Ryan Lackey</a>, <a class="user" href="/Ian-Wilson">Ian Wilson</a>, <a class="user" href="/Steve-De-Long">Steve De Long</a>, <a class="user" href="/Razin-Mustafiz">Razin Mustafiz</a>, <a class="user" href="/Kevin-Moore-1">Kevin Moore</a>, <a class="user" href="/Andrew-Brown-2">Andrew Brown</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Elad-Gil">Elad Gil</a>, <a class="user" href="/Fahd-Butt">Fahd Butt</a>, <a class="user" href="/Adrian-Corduneanu">Adrian Corduneanu</a>, <a class="user" href="/Sumeet-Parmar">Sumeet Parmar</a>, <a class="user" href="/Kiran-Kumar-S">Kiran Kumar S</a>, <a class="user" href="/Omar-Koudsi">Omar Koudsi</a>, <a class="user" href="/Mike-Miu">Mike Miu</a>, <a class="user" href="/Vlad-Lekecinskas-1">Vlad Lekecinskas</a>, <a class="user" href="/Gidi-Meir-Morris">Gidi Meir Morris</a>, <a class="user" href="/Sam-Hickmann">Sam Hickmann</a>, Anon User, <a class="user" href="/Nick-Pickrel">Nick Pickrel</a>, <a class="user" href="/Marc-Cooper-1">Marc Cooper</a>, <a class="user" href="/Brent-Phillips">Brent Phillips</a>, <a class="user" href="/Jon-Vaillant">Jon Vaillant</a>, <a class="user" href="/Yusuf-Bora-Ibili">Yusuf (Bora) Ibili</a>, <a class="user" href="/Scott-White-2">Scott White</a> and <a class="user" href="/Tahir-Mobashir">Tahir Mobashir</a></span></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2206"></div>Most of these answers do not answer the question.<br /><br />Many of the most financially successful entrepeneurs were people who retained control of their company. When minority shareholders obtain control of your company, they have a financial incentive (even a fiduciary obligation, to their limited partners!) to act in ways that are not in the best interests of the common shareholder class.<br /><br />When an investor sits on your board, there is a conflict of interest between your investor's fiduciary obligation to their limited partners and their fiduciary obligations to the other classes of shareholders in the company. Not retaining control of your company can destroy much of financial upside of entrepreneurship.<br /><br /><b>1. Do not give up board control.</b><br /><br />Board control matters more than valuation. When you lose the ability to block unnecessary inside rounds, you will likely suffer unnecessary dilution. Investors want to put more money in the company when it is doing well, even if the company does not need the money.<br /><br /><b>2. Select truly independent directors.</b><br /><br />Part of successfully doing #1 is to select truly independent directors. Most "independent" directors are venture capitalist cronies and are not "independent." They are rewarded financially, with additional board seats and with lucrative consulting positions, for siding with the investors. Choose someone who will give the company's management the benefit of the doubt, preferably your own industry allies or trusted advisors. Mark Zuckerberg's appointment of Marc Andreessen (who had long been a trusted advisor of his on the side) is an example of this.<br /><br />Too many companies have "independent" directors who come into board meetings and shrug their shoulders and say "Its their money." Control in a company should reflect ownership stake and you should not compromise on a corporate governance structure which reflects the ownership of the company.<br /><br /><b>3. Study the board structure and financing of the following companies:</b><br /><br />Larry Ellison (Oracle)<br />Bill Gates (Microsoft)<br />Mark Pincus (Zynga) <br />Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook)<br />Michael Saylor (Microstrategy)<br />Sam Walton (Walmart)<br />Ross Perot (EDS)<br /><br />For the financing history and control issues of many of these companies read:<br /><br /><blockquote><b>How to be a Billionaire</b> <a href="http://amzn.to/dT3TWp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://amzn.t<wbr />o/dT3TWp</a><br /></blockquote><br />This book is very dry, but it has a very good set of case studies of successful entrepreneurs and their companies. It is important to understand the mechanisms through which lose of control can impair the financial benefits of entrepreneurship.<br /><br /><b>4. Become profitable as early as possible.</b><br /><br />This gives you leverage with respect to the terms of the investment. There have been entrepreneurs who have IPOed with over a 50% ownership stake in their company.<br /><br />Profitability gives you leverage. You can select investors who will bring more to the table than money. You can explain to your investors that you do not need their money and that you are doing them a favor by allowing them to invest and that if they do not like your terms, they are not the right investors (ex. Facebook).<br /><br /><b>5. Understand the legal agreements of the venture capital process</b><br /><br />Most entrepreneurs are financially naive. Many entrepreneurs and startup employees cannot read a cap-tables. Some entrepreneurs do not understand liquidation preferences and most do not understand the complex contractual provisions in financing agreements.<br /><br /><blockquote>'an exit-value-dependent management carve-out to a participating liquidation preference reverting linearly above 3X return on top of a French legal requirement that the first 10% gets distributed to all shareholders equally?'<br /></blockquote><br />You should try to regularly read <a href="http://venturehacks.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">venturehacks.com</a> and other venture capital legal blogs, in addition to retaining a very good lawyer.<br /><br />Also see: <b>Raising Venture Capital for the Serious Entrepreneur</b> <a href="http://amzn.to/dXzjif" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://amzn.<wbr />to/dXzjif</a><br /><br />This is a textbook for a business school course about venture capital. It has 5 stars on Amazon for 22 out of 23 reviews. It is a really good book.<br /><br /><b>6. Do due diligence on your investors</b><br /><br />Most entrepreneurs fail to do due diligence on their investors. Understand who you are entering in a business arrangement with. Get references from the VC for executives in both his successful and failed portfolio companies.<br /><br />Talk to the founders who were kicked out of the company. Look up the VC at <a href="http://TheFunded.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">TheFunded.com</a><br /><br />Try to find out how your investors will respond if your company performs well and how they will respond when a crisis occurs. Do the investors have a history of opportunistically delaying financing or legally or physically threatening the family of the Independent director to influence voting outcomes?<br /><br />You do not want a backstabbing sociopath on your board of directors.<br /><br /><b>7. Choose an industry with lower capital requirements.</b><br /><br />Software is 100% margin and it is easy to bootstrap compared to a capital intensive industry such as retail or biotech.<br /><br />However, even in capital intensive industries, we have seen very successful companies that were essentially bootstrapped. Walmart is very capital intensive and yet Walton built Walmart without venture capital, selling equity or giving up control of the company. Walton borrowed money against the future cash flow of the company to finance growth and then used the IPO to pay off this debt.<br /><br /><b>8. Create a dual-class ownership structure.</b><br /><br />Google and most media companies have a B-class of shares that have 10 votes to each vote of the common shares. This insures that even if the founder or mogul only retain 5% of the equity in the company, they still retain voting control.<br /><br /><b>9. Be in a position to fire the CEO and management if necessary</b><br /><br />You may eventually have to bring in professional management (such as an outside CEO). By controlling the board and having a majority in votes, you are in a position to fire the CEO. This allows you to hold the CEO accountable. This was the position Eric Schmidt was in at Google.<br /><br /><b>10. Bid investors against each other to create leverage</b><br /><br />If you are going to take on venture capital, bid firms against each other and use your leverage to remove control provisions. If investors want to put in more money than you need or want, use that as leverage to loosen board control and protective provisions.<br /><br />See: <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Google-Inc-company/What-were-the-4-or-5-key-decisions-that-Larry-Page-and-Sergey-Brin-made-in-the-early-days-of-Google/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana's answer to Google Inc. (company): What were the 4 or 5 key decisions that Larry Page and Sergey Brin made in the early days of Google?</a></span><b><br /></b><br /><b>11. Choose your investors very carefully</b>.<br /><br />Only let your friends and people you trust invest. If you are going to give up control, give it to people who will collude with you against outside interests. This strategy worked very well for Mark Pincus when he founded Zynga.<br /><br /><b>12. Look at alternate classes of investors, who are not looking to actively manage the company.</b><br /><br />Hedge funds, pension funds, and UHNWIs sometimes make direct private equity investments. Leverage your social network. If you are in a position to achieve liquidity through a secondary market within a few years, your company may be appealing to these groups and you will give up much less control<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_C40EOcQ_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2207"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_LMqXqUX_view_comment_link">6 Comments</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2208"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/Venture-Capital/How-can-I-prevent-shareholders-from-taking-over-my-startup/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_H1Gqh8g_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2234"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2209"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_kVIM5lv_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2294"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2348"><a name="comment157478"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_V0QVgGM_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Thanks for the edits, <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong">Yishan Wong</a></span>!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_iBAB9gb_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2349"><a name="comment157712"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_rGaOAZQ_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">"<b>5. Create a dual-class ownership structure."</b><br /><b>How do you do this exactly? What would you have to give up in exchange for this? And what kind of traction/leverage would you need? Thanks</b></p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Vivek-Ponnaiyan">Vivek Ponnaiyan</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_ArPyaij_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2350"><a name="comment157787"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_rEuxAvG_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Brandon -- Many points well taken. In formulating my answer, I considered listing a few of the items above (2-classes of stock, a Voting Agreement regarding Board nominations, etc.), but decided not to since the times when entrepreneurs who need capital have the amount of leverage necessary to get these controls are so few are far between that I would have thought such an answer would do a disservice to the asker and the Quora community's aspiring startup founders. Nonetheless, I will add them now in order to make this very point.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Lee-Weinberg">Lee Weinberg</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_otfWH1P_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2351"><a name="comment157805"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_IeKp7bD_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">That is true.<br /><br />The dual class share structure is something many people forget about, but if you want to start a company and retain control past the IPO <br />(after the preferred have converted to common), while rapidly acquiring smaller companies; then it is important. You see this in media companies. For most startups, it should not matter very much.<br /><br />Dual class structures can be useful for ensuring that the CEO is acceptable to both the board and to the founders. Such as by giving founders control of common voting through a dual-class and giving the investors a 2+2+1 board and requiring approval from both board and majority of common, for major actions.<br /><br />This can balance the power between the investors and founders. The founders may want to abandon control of the day to day operations of the company to a professional CEO, but may not want to give up complete control and still be in a position to fire the CEO or hold them accountable (requiring common approval for financings, M&A, etc...)<br /><br />This is more of a "founders get veto power over certain actions" situation. So a dual-class structure can be very reasonable under certain circumstances.</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_b3mh00O_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2352"><a name="comment158153"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_IZYIyAB_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Thanks a million for this; this is going into my bookmarks and start-up emergency kit.<br /><br />I initially submitted your comment to Hacker News, but knowing your previous history with being submitted on the site, I decided to delete the submission as a service. :)</p><p class="action_bar">Anon User<span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_UE4qtFs_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2353"><a name="comment158179"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_xCAEcGY_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Please resubmit to hackernews!</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_vfvLOnU_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2354"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/Venture-Capital/How-can-I-prevent-shareholders-from-taking-over-my-startup/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View All 6 Comments</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="pagedlist_item" id="ld_7iQPcN_2034"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1" id="__w2_p5ROfoq_item"><div class="e_col w4_5"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2074"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2095"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2274"></span><a class="question_link" href="/As-a-Silicon-Valley-engineer-visiting-LA-for-the-first-time-what-are-the-best-places-to-visit-to-hook-up-with-a-hottie" id="__w2_XFuaa1P_link"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2275"></span>As a Silicon Valley engineer visiting LA for the first time, what are the best places to visit to hook up with a hottie?</a></span></h2></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2075"><div class="feed_item_answer answer_text" id="__w2_bRJEaMC_answer"><div class="rating_buttons"><div id="__w2_bRJEaMC_answer_voting"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2210"><div class="rating_buttons "><div class="rating_options"><a class="lil_button rate_up" href="#" id="__w2_Lyh41tk_answer_vote_up_link"> </a><a class="lil_button rate_down" href="#" id="__w2_Lyh41tk_answer_vote_down_link"> </a></div></div></div></div></div><div class="feed_item_answer_content answer_content"><div class="answer_user"><span class="feed_item_answer_user" id="__w2_bRJEaMC_answer_user_sig"><a class="user" href="/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana</a><span class="rep">, </span><span id="__w2_mJw7zWa_link"><span class="rep">N/A</span></span><div class="hover_menu hidden" style="display: none" id="__w2_mJw7zWa_menu"><div class="hover_menu_nub"></div><div class="menu_contents growl_notification" id="__w2_mJw7zWa_menu_contents"> </div></div></span><div id="__w2_bRJEaMC_answer_voters"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2211"><span class="answer_voters"><span class="answer_voter_callout"><strong class="voter_count">2</strong> votes</span> by <a class="user" href="/Joseph-Turian">Joseph Turian</a> and <a class="user" href="/Henry-Flower">Henry Flower</a></span></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2212"></div>Public parties are horrible The male to female ratio is 5 to 1 and the women are sub-standard.<br /><br />Go meet people who do film. There are many actors who have attractive actor friends who do not have a lot of money. They like perks like housing, being taken out for food, movies and being taken to parties. They also cannot afford cars and appreciate someone with a car.<br /><br />One girl I met said "My friends cannot come because they cannot afford the door price". Offer to pay the cover for your actor friend's female friends. Engineers make 60-75 $/hour and a $20-100 cover for 3-4 women is very cheap for showing up to a part with a small group of attractive women.<br /><br />This way, even if you go to a public party, you will have attractive women to dance with. Since you know them and will be talking/dancing with them, it also increases your visibility and desirability with other women and people want to know who you are.<br /><br />You will rapidly be invited to high quality parties and raves, if you are known to bring attractive women with you. Navigating the social network and finding the hubs is more important than where you hang out in particular.<br /><br />You dont need social skills, you need money and a good grasp graph theory.<div class="action_bar" id="__w2_bRJEaMC_answer_actions"><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2213"><a class="view_comments supp " href="#" id="__w2_RPvO710_view_comment_link">1 Comment</a></span><span class="bullet"> • </span><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2214"><a class="answer_permalink" href="/As-a-Silicon-Valley-engineer-visiting-LA-for-the-first-time-what-are-the-best-places-to-visit-to-hook-up-with-a-hottie/answer/Brandon-Smietana"><span class="datetime" id="__w2_adUyqwr_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></a><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2235"></span></span></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2215"><div class="comments answer_comments hidden" id="__w2_EDEZTf0_answer_comments"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2295"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2355"><a name="comment196621"></a><div class="comment p0_5 br5 featured_comment" id="__w2_qsQBzUL_comment"><div class="comment_contents"><p class="comment_text">Have you or your friends done this ?</p><p class="action_bar"><a class="user" href="/Bill-McDonald">Bill McDonald</a><span class="bullet"> • </span><span class="datetime" id="__w2_eek1P8A_datespan">Insert a dynamic date here</span></p></div></div></div><span id="ld_7iQPcN_2356"><div class="comment p0_5"><small><a class="light" href="/As-a-Silicon-Valley-engineer-visiting-LA-for-the-first-time-what-are-the-best-places-to-visit-to-hook-up-with-a-hottie/all_comments/Brandon-Smietana">View 1 Comment</a></small></div></span></div><div class="comment light p0_5">Cannot add comment at this time.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2035"><div class="hidden" id="__w2_jCjmMFi_loading"><span class="__wn2_loading"><span class="__wn2_loading_spinner"></span><span class="__wn2_loading_text">Loading...</span></span></div><div class="pager_next action_button" id="__w2_jCjmMFi_more">More</div></div></div></div></div><div class="e_col w2_5 side_col"><div class="row"><div class="e_col w1 p1"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_1995"><div class="profile_photo"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_1998"><a href="/Brandon-Smietana"><img class="profile_photo_img" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-thumb-6673-100-iQY07uHy4EIxliIOKB2oVtdnn7FsdmZc.jpeg" width="100" alt="Brandon Smietana" height="100" /></a></div></div></div></div><div class="e_col w1_5 side_col p1"><div class="light page_opts row"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_1996"><ul class="action_list"></ul></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_1997"><div class="row p1"><div class="col mini_count first"><a href="/Brandon-Smietana/followers"><strong>693</strong><br />Followers</a></div><div class="col mini_count "><a href="/Brandon-Smietana/following"><strong>332</strong><br />Following</a></div><div class="col mini_count "><a href="/Brandon-Smietana/mentions"><strong>31</strong><br />@Mentions</a></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_1993"><div class="row section p1" id="answers"><strong>Recent Top Answers</strong><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2000"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">49</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Venture-Capital/How-can-I-prevent-shareholders-from-taking-over-my-startup/answer/Brandon-Smietana">How can I prevent shareholders from taking over my startup?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_yV3my44_truncated"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2005"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>Most of these answers do not answer the question. <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_ohLoAbW_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_yV3my44_expanded"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2006">Most of these answers do not answer the question.<br /><br />Many of the most financially successful entrepeneurs were people who retained control of their company. When minority shareholders obtain control of your company, they have a financial incentive (even a fiduciary obligation, to their limited partners!) to act in ways that are not in the best interests of the common shareholder class.<br /><br />When an investor sits on your board, there is a conflict of interest between your investor's fiduciary obligation to their limited partners and their fiduciary obligations to the other classes of shareholders in the company. Not retaining control of your company can destroy much of financial upside of entrepreneurship.<br /><br /><b>1. Do not give up board control.</b><br /><br />Board control matters more than valuation. When you lose the ability to block unnecessary inside rounds, you will likely suffer unnecessary dilution. Investors want to put more money in the company when it is doing well, even if the company does not need the money.<br /><br /><b>2. Select truly independent directors.</b><br /><br />Part of successfully doing #1 is to select truly independent directors. Most "independent" directors are venture capitalist cronies and are not "independent." They are rewarded financially, with additional board seats and with lucrative consulting positions, for siding with the investors. Choose someone who will give the company's management the benefit of the doubt, preferably your own industry allies or trusted advisors. Mark Zuckerberg's appointment of Marc Andreessen (who had long been a trusted advisor of his on the side) is an example of this.<br /><br />Too many companies have "independent" directors who come into board meetings and shrug their shoulders and say "Its their money." Control in a company should reflect ownership stake and you should not compromise on a corporate governance structure which reflects the ownership of the company.<br /><br /><b>3. Study the board structure and financing of the following companies:</b><br /><br />Larry Ellison (Oracle)<br />Bill Gates (Microsoft)<br />Mark Pincus (Zynga) <br />Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook)<br />Michael Saylor (Microstrategy)<br />Sam Walton (Walmart)<br />Ross Perot (EDS)<br /><br />For the financing history and control issues of many of these companies read:<br /><br /><blockquote><b>How to be a Billionaire</b> <a href="http://amzn.to/dT3TWp" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://amzn.t<wbr />o/dT3TWp</a><br /></blockquote><br />This book is very dry, but it has a very good set of case studies of successful entrepreneurs and their companies. It is important to understand the mechanisms through which lose of control can impair the financial benefits of entrepreneurship.<br /><br /><b>4. Become profitable as early as possible.</b><br /><br />This gives you leverage with respect to the terms of the investment. There have been entrepreneurs who have IPOed with over a 50% ownership stake in their company.<br /><br />Profitability gives you leverage. You can select investors who will bring more to the table than money. You can explain to your investors that you do not need their money and that you are doing them a favor by allowing them to invest and that if they do not like your terms, they are not the right investors (ex. Facebook).<br /><br /><b>5. Understand the legal agreements of the venture capital process</b><br /><br />Most entrepreneurs are financially naive. Many entrepreneurs and startup employees cannot read a cap-tables. Some entrepreneurs do not understand liquidation preferences and most do not understand the complex contractual provisions in financing agreements.<br /><br /><blockquote>'an exit-value-dependent management carve-out to a participating liquidation preference reverting linearly above 3X return on top of a French legal requirement that the first 10% gets distributed to all shareholders equally?'<br /></blockquote><br />You should try to regularly read <a href="http://venturehacks.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">venturehacks.com</a> and other venture capital legal blogs, in addition to retaining a very good lawyer.<br /><br />Also see: <b>Raising Venture Capital for the Serious Entrepreneur</b> <a href="http://amzn.to/dXzjif" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://amzn.<wbr />to/dXzjif</a><br /><br />This is a textbook for a business school course about venture capital. It has 5 stars on Amazon for 22 out of 23 reviews. It is a really good book.<br /><br /><b>6. Do due diligence on your investors</b><br /><br />Most entrepreneurs fail to do due diligence on their investors. Understand who you are entering in a business arrangement with. Get references from the VC for executives in both his successful and failed portfolio companies.<br /><br />Talk to the founders who were kicked out of the company. Look up the VC at <a href="http://TheFunded.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">TheFunded.com</a><br /><br />Try to find out how your investors will respond if your company performs well and how they will respond when a crisis occurs. Do the investors have a history of opportunistically delaying financing or legally or physically threatening the family of the Independent director to influence voting outcomes?<br /><br />You do not want a backstabbing sociopath on your board of directors.<br /><br /><b>7. Choose an industry with lower capital requirements.</b><br /><br />Software is 100% margin and it is easy to bootstrap compared to a capital intensive industry such as retail or biotech.<br /><br />However, even in capital intensive industries, we have seen very successful companies that were essentially bootstrapped. Walmart is very capital intensive and yet Walton built Walmart without venture capital, selling equity or giving up control of the company. Walton borrowed money against the future cash flow of the company to finance growth and then used the IPO to pay off this debt.<br /><br /><b>8. Create a dual-class ownership structure.</b><br /><br />Google and most media companies have a B-class of shares that have 10 votes to each vote of the common shares. This insures that even if the founder or mogul only retain 5% of the equity in the company, they still retain voting control.<br /><br /><b>9. Be in a position to fire the CEO and management if necessary</b><br /><br />You may eventually have to bring in professional management (such as an outside CEO). By controlling the board and having a majority in votes, you are in a position to fire the CEO. This allows you to hold the CEO accountable. This was the position Eric Schmidt was in at Google.<br /><br /><b>10. Bid investors against each other to create leverage</b><br /><br />If you are going to take on venture capital, bid firms against each other and use your leverage to remove control provisions. If investors want to put in more money than you need or want, use that as leverage to loosen board control and protective provisions.<br /><br />See: <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Google-Inc-company/What-were-the-4-or-5-key-decisions-that-Larry-Page-and-Sergey-Brin-made-in-the-early-days-of-Google/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Brandon Smietana's answer to Google Inc. (company): What were the 4 or 5 key decisions that Larry Page and Sergey Brin made in the early days of Google?</a></span><b><br /></b><br /><b>11. Choose your investors very carefully</b>.<br /><br />Only let your friends and people you trust invest. If you are going to give up control, give it to people who will collude with you against outside interests. This strategy worked very well for Mark Pincus when he founded Zynga.<br /><br /><b>12. Look at alternate classes of investors, who are not looking to actively manage the company.</b><br /><br />Hedge funds, pension funds, and UHNWIs sometimes make direct private equity investments. Leverage your social network. If you are in a position to achieve liquidity through a secondary market within a few years, your company may be appealing to these groups and you will give up much less control</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2001"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">12</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Startup-Ideas/How-can-someone-get-help-to-develop-ideas-for-an-online-business-without-having-the-ideas-stolen/answer/Brandon-Smietana">How can someone get help to develop ideas for an online business without having the ideas stolen?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_kBIbJv7_truncated"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2007"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-9acf4dc347d503197f5a10af764484c1" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-ba5e4d3696fb347eb3b1ae3e0d81c378" master_w="514" master_h="315" /></div>I have a person a month email me a question like this. I just walked by a homeless man with a sign that read: "Looking for technical co-founder". <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_FCGTzDf_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_kBIbJv7_expanded"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2008">I have a person a month email me a question like this. I just walked by a homeless man with a sign that read: "Looking for technical co-founder".<br /><br /><b>So You Want to Start a Web Startup: </b><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6gZ4vk_Tw4" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" class="external_link">http://www.youtu<wbr />be.com/watch?v=u...</a><br /><b><br /></b>"I have a brilliant idea and I want you to implement it for free! However, I cannot tell you the idea, because I am afraid that you will steal it."<br /><br /> <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong-1">Yishan Wong</a></span> tells me I should tell them "Kid, don't delude yourself, you'd be lucky to be Eduardo Saverin."<br /><br />The following conversation is real!<br /><br /><b>Person: </b>"you are asking lots of questions and we have no NDA"<br /><br /><b>Me:</b> Are you afraid that I am going to clone your 25,000 lines of LISP before New Years, raise 3 million at a 15 million valuation, hire 30 engineers and bury you?<br /><br />I like to remind people, that if their idea is so great and I decide to clone it, the NDA wont protect them against the "ravenous free market forces" that result when I launch a competitor. I like to scare some sense into these people by bragging about my "army" of "rockstar" Python, Lisp, Ruby and Haskell engineers.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-9acf4dc347d503197f5a10af764484c1" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-ba5e4d3696fb347eb3b1ae3e0d81c378" master_w="514" master_h="315" /><br /><b>Non-technical Person:</b> "Do you have rock star developers?"<br /><br /><b>Me: </b>"You can tell rock star developers apart from mere 25x engineers because rock stars have groupies. Do your rails developers have groupies?" <br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-16558f9d1b9a90a1d8fcff74eff2fa69" /><br />The other favorite thing someone has said to me is,<br /><br />"Build my company and my product and I will give you 15% of the equity!"<br /><br />I always tell these people, "<b>God helps those who help themselves</b>", which means "<b>Start learning PHP</b>".<br /><br />Ideas are worthless -- execution is everything.</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2002"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">10</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Does-Symbolic-Analytics-have-a-website-or-web-presence/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Does Symbolic Analytics have a website or web presence?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_GoeDx34_truncated"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2009"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-49b65518dbd0a38e2b2e1fd508635226" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-e8b52c3b46e330f2f7c5b373097e9a88" master_w="1024" master_h="768" /></div>No. Having a website is not very stealth. <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_LLFbCZS_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_GoeDx34_expanded"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2010">No. Having a website is not very stealth.<br /><br />Symbolic Analytics is a semantic web startup, so the investors expect our website to be "very Web 3.0". <br /><br /><blockquote>People keep asking what Web 3.0 is. I think maybe when you've got an overlay of scalable vector graphics - everything rippling and folding and looking misty — on Web 2.0 and access to a semantic Web...</blockquote><blockquote><br /></blockquote>– Tim Berners-Lee<br /><br />When the website goes public, it will be <i>very</i> cyberpunk; like the interface from Uplink, but with more etched circuit board logos. <br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-49b65518dbd0a38e2b2e1fd508635226" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-e8b52c3b46e330f2f7c5b373097e9a88" master_w="1024" master_h="768" /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-c496d3f31e6ffd7837fdd9a6990299c5" title="Click to Enlarge" style="cursor: pointer" master_src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-97038ad22f492ef29d962e3d0a6efbbe" master_w="640" master_h="480" /><br />The website is going to be so sexy that we could raise more bubble money than Path, without even needing a product or employees ("its web 3.0" and "its in the cloud" and "its social"). We are still trying to decide on the Symbolic Analytics website sound track.<br /><br />To "set the mood" for our investors, I need a picture of <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong-1">Yishan Wong</a></span> throwing IPO money into the air, which is falling towards the investors at Yishan Wong's feet.<br /><br /><img class="qtext_image" src="http://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-0160c1162ce36aa1ce94469105143f2a" /><br />However, I am still trying to poach <span class="qlink_container"><a href="/Yishan-Wong-1">Yishan Wong</a></span> from his rumor mill startup.<br /><br /><b>Note:</b><br /><br />I am joking about "Web 3.0".<br /><br />Symbolic Analytics started as a computational chemistry startup. We were using machine learning and computational chemistry techniques to discovery highly selective metal ion binding ligands. However the company got out of control and started building mobile web applications and culminated with the creation of a massively multiplayer game based upon Minecraft and Nethack.<br /><br />We were very successful in mobile web applications but discovered that we would need 1.3 billion page views per day, to generate 10 million dollars/year on display advertising at 0.02 USD eCPM (Digg has 15 million a year in revenue, but has never been profitable!). So we pivoted into a market with a higher DARPA.<br /><br />I am now CTOing a location based services company in LA.<br /><br />The computational chemistry algorithms are still being worked on and I want to return to that area in the future.</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2003"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">14</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/Who-is-going-to-the-2011-Quora-Bay-Area-Active-User-Party/answer/Brandon-Smietana">Who is going to the 2011 Quora Bay Area Active User Party?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_UMYAu28_truncated"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2011"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>I am going. <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_Td3MXQ9_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_UMYAu28_expanded"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2012">I am going.<br /><br />I need a ride from SFO to the hotel, a few blocks from the party.<br /><br />Update:<br /><br />I just walked to the community party venue and it is at a pub. Ug.</div></div></div></div></div><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2004"><div class="feed_item stream_feed_item p1 row"><div class="w0_5 e_col"><div class="big_number_stat"><div class="number">7</div><div class="text">Votes</div></div></div><div class="e_col side_col w2"><div class="feed_item_question"><h2><a href="/In-a-new-startup-how-do-you-convince-a-non-founding-developer-that-1-or-2-is-a-good-deal/answer/Brandon-Smietana">In a new startup, how do you convince a non-founding developer that 1% or 2% is a good deal?</a></h2></div><div class="inline" id="__w2_GLAo1hX_truncated"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2013"><div class="truncated_thumbnail_holder"></div>You have to find gullible or stupid people. Tell them that you company will exit at 100 million in two years. Hope that they do not understand li... <a class="more_link" href="#" id="__w2_gTQZZ3R_more_link">(more)</a> </div></div><div class="hidden expanded_q_text" id="__w2_GLAo1hX_expanded"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_2014">You have to find gullible or stupid people. Tell them that you company will exit at 100 million in two years. Hope that they do not understand liquidation preferences.<br /><br />The best case scenario for employee stock options issued at a $0 strike price (this is pre-series A still ?), there is no liquidation preference and that they stay on for 4 years and company is flipped for 100 million. They get 500k after taxes (ignoring dilution!).<br /><br />Assume the company is flipped after 8 months for 70 million. The employee probably gets nothing because they are not past their vesting cliff; depending on how the acquisition is structured. Ooops!<br /><br />Most exits will be below 30 million USD and 1% of your company is probably worthless. About 40% of Series A companies will return 1x and return nothing to the employees after liquidation preferences. Another 30% of Series A companies will return 1-3x.<br /><br />A decade ago, stock options could have artificially low strike prices, but with 409A requirements for employee stock options, equity is almost worthless except for founders, VCs and executives.<br /><br />From a financial perspective, it is not rational for employees to join a post Series A company, for anything except a salary. In general, it is difficult to convince anyone who understands venture capital that the 1% is worth anything financially.<br /><br />You have to sell your company to employees on non-financial criteria. The people at your company and your relationship with the employee are a more important factor in recruiting than the financial compensation.<br /><br />When I am going after a key hire, I emphasize<br /><ul><li>Meeting and working with great people</li><li>Mentorship and learning the entrepreneurial process</li><li>Help starting their company when they leave</li><li>Building social relationships</li></ul><br />If you need a key hire, but can only give up 2% of the equity, you have to compensate them in other ways. If a hire is financially ambitious, 2% + salary is not satisfying or motivating unless you are aiming for a billion dollar exit. <br /><br />If they want to start their own company some day, you should offer to introduce them to investors, other entrepreneurs or to mentor them.<br /><br />The most important thing for yourself and your own success, is to the develop personal loyalty of competent people whose ambitions are aligned with yours.<br /><br />You will need to draw in talented people in order for your current company to succeed and these people become assets when you start your next company. Being about able to bring in 3-4 competent developers, project managers or a designer is a critical factor for execution in the seed stage.</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="footer wrapper"><div class="contents"><div class="footer_nav row"><div class="e_col footer_links w8"><div id="ld_7iQPcN_1994"><ul class="nav_list"><li class="about"><a href="/about">About</a></li><li class="jobs"><a href="/jobs">Jobs</a></li><li class="privacy"><a href="/about/privacy">Privacy</a></li><li class="tos"><a href="/about/tos">Terms</a></li><li class="press"><a href="/press">Press</a></li><li><span class="bullet"> • </span></li><li class="signup"><a href="/login/index">Login</a></li><li class="signup"><a href="/signup/index">Sign Up</a></li><li class="mobile nav_sub_item"><a href="#" id="__w2_Wdjj8XI_mobile_site">Mobile Site</a></li></ul></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="above_page_banner hidden" id="__w2_HaeRe4e_banner">There are some updates to this page that haven't been applied yet because you've entered some data into a form. 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